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Re: Firewalls that generate new packets..
From: "Fetch, Brandon" <bfetch () tpg com>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:14:30 -0500
Paul, I'd have to agree with that position. If the system is not available, its services have been denied. Whether that's through packet buffer exhaustion (node issue), circuit saturation (path to node issue), or sending RSTs using impersonated sequence numbers (protocol on node issue), a DoS is a DoS is a DoS. Not to rile Mr. mjr anymore than he already has (tiger, balls, kicking, oh my!) I think a lot of what a firewall was originally "in place"/used for was to obscure or prevent the exploitation of inherently insecure systems from the "nefarious public". Granted, and I'm with mjr on this one, by putting a screen door in front of what you're trying to protect from the physical impact of raindrops is still going to get wet in the end so what's the point other than marketing? Which I hope is a humorous analogy to close this dead horse of a thread. :) Enjoy! Brandon -----Original Message----- From: firewall-wizards-bounces () listserv icsalabs com [mailto:firewall-wizards-bounces () listserv icsalabs com] On Behalf Of Paul D. Robertson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:51 AM To: darrenr () reed wattle id au; Firewall Wizards Security Mailing List Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Firewalls that generate new packets.. On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Darren Reed wrote:
I definately don't classify (2) as a DOS problem. An
application/operating System crashes, availability is 0, how is that not a DoS? If we're going to use a standard vocabulary (and I think we must) then we can't individually pick what the words mean. Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Paul D. Robertson "My statements in this message are personal opinions paul () compuwar net which may have no basis whatsoever in fact." http://www.fluiditgroup.com/blog/pdr/ Art: http://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com/ _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () listserv icsalabs com https://listserv.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards This message is intended only for the person(s) to which it is addressed and may contain privileged, confidential and/or insider information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action concerning the contents of this message and any attachment(s) by anyone other than the named recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () listserv icsalabs com https://listserv.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.., (continued)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darren Reed (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darden, Patrick S. (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Jerry B. Altzman (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darren Reed (Nov 28)
- ***SPAM*** Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Dave Piscitello (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darden, Patrick S. (Nov 29)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darren Reed (Nov 30)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Paul D. Robertson (Nov 30)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Fetch, Brandon (Nov 30)
- ***SPAM*** Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Dave Piscitello (Nov 30)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Patrick M. Hausen (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Paul D. Robertson (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darden, Patrick S. (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Tina Bird (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. J. Oquendo (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darren Reed (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darden, Patrick S. (Nov 28)