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Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??**
From: "Gary E. Miller" <gem () rellim com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yo Emmanuel! As a pilot I have seen the remains of fatal airplane crashes. One containing the remains of a friend of mine. Held airplane wreckage in my hands. You may think that an airplane is a big hulking solid thing. Not true. Most places the skin and ribs is not much thicker than a beer can. Throw that against a blast wall or hard earth at 500+ mph and the amount of wreckage ends up being surprisingly small. Then start a fire with a huge amount of Jet-A. The resulting fire will burn the aluminum, the plastic, the seats, the insulation on the wire, most everything. The NTSB Accident Investigators call them "Cruise Missles" because of the obvious similarites to flight path and wreckage. For comparison "Lawn Darts" are what they call planes that break up in the air, or stall in. In an hour or two after the fire goes out you are left mostly with a black smudge on the ground with a few random bits and pieces of hard stuff. Like landing gear, bones and teeth. The bones and teeth are how you ID the victims. Since the coroner has the passenger manifest he has a real good start on the ID and will be inclined to provide an ID even in very questionable cases so that folks can get on with grieving, collect on insurance and such. The landing gear, which are the only truly massive pieces of steel in an an airplane, are what punched the 12 foot hole in the inner ring. I suggest you study some other air crashes to compare to this one. Take a look at what happens to an airplane cabin after the center fuel tank catches fire. There is a good reason the FAA says you have 90 seconds to evac from even a low G crash. The ensuing fire can be nearly all consuming. Try googling a bit and you will see for yourself. Here are a few pics to get you started: http://www.planecrashinfo.com/pictures.htm You want a good consipiracy to howl about you will find much better material looking in to the NSA, Eschelon, Valerie Plame, etc. RGDS GARY - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701 gem () rellim com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 On Thu, 11 May 2006, emmanuel lewis wrote:
First disturbing thing about these videos is the amount of people who instanly say how fake they are. This one was a bit different. I don't believe the author even thinks he is 100% correct, but if some video from a gas station or a hotel rooftop captured this event, well then why would you not say here it is and show it to everyone? Would seeing more proof not just enforce thier position even more? Personally I can't believe a plane, made out of metal vaporized, vanished, and the people inside it did not. The seat, gone. The overhead compartement full of laptops, ipods, clothing, etc, gone. The serving trays, the oxygen masks, the luggage, the animals in the luggage compartment, gone. The huge metal wings, the Rolls-Royce engine, the tail section much larger then the small 12-16 foot hole, gone. But miraculously all the people could be identified. Come on. If you actually subscribe to this list, there is no way you could possibly believe that crock.
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