RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail

["Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>]

You need to judge Goodmail and AOL on their own merits. 

Here's a column I wrote on the subject in which I go into the qualifications
issue: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1923022,00.asp. Don't trust the
dearaol representations of the matter, they're full of lies.

Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.eweek.com/
http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larryseltzer () ziffdavis com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Ludwig [mailto:andre.ludwig () gmail com] 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:33 AM
To: Larry Seltzer
Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail

¿que?

Dre

On 4/14/06, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
> Well this is certainly full of crap. Didn't John Dillinger rob banks? 
> How do we know that Goodmail won't rob banks too?
>
> Larry Seltzer
> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> http://security.eweek.com/
> http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
> Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> larryseltzer () ziffdavis com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andre Ludwig [mailto:andre.ludwig () gmail com]
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:58 AM
> To: Larry Seltzer
> Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail
>
> Werent there specific requirements to sign up to get an account at 
> certain data clearing houses as well?
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=choicepoint+fake+company&start=0&ie=utf
> -8&oe= utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
>
> Dre
>
> On 4/14/06, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
> > You obviously haven't read how the system works. There are very 
> > specific requirements for qualifying for the certification. You 
> > can't just send in your check and get certified.
> >
> > Larry Seltzer
> > eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> > http://security.eweek.com/
> > http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
> > Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> > larryseltzer () ziffdavis com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blanchard_Michael () emc com [mailto:Blanchard_Michael () emc com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:46 AM
> > To: larry () larryseltzer com; fergdawg () netzero net; 
> > funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: RE: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail
> >
> >  but what if the consumer doesn't want ANY advertisement e-mail, 
> > even from those companies that have paid the toll to go through?  
> > Maybe that's why I don't have an AOL email address that I use :-)
> >
> >
> > Hmmmm, if I was a spammer I'd be all for this system, heck I'd be 
> > very happy to pay AOL to allow my spam to go through onto AOL's 
> > email users
> unfiltered.
> > The few thousand that they charge is sure to be a drop in the bucket 
> > compared to the potential revenue....
> >
> >
> > Michael P. Blanchard
> > Antivirus / Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of 
> > Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 4400 Computer
Dr.
> > Westboro, MA 01580
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
> > On Behalf Of Larry Seltzer
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:37 PM
> > To: 'Fergie'; funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: RE: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail
> >
> > Ironically, this is just more evidence of the value of Goodmail. 
> > False positives are inevitable in a mail system the size and 
> > complexity of
> AOL's.
> > Goodmail allows demonstrably reliable organizations to bypass the 
> > filtering operations which cause them.
> >
> > Larry Seltzer
> > eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> > http://security.eweek.com/
> > http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
> > Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> > larryseltzer () ziffdavis com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
> > On Behalf Of Fergie
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:48 PM
> > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail
> >
> > Via C|Net News.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > America Online on Thursday apparently began blocking subscribers 
> > from sending or receiving e-mail containing the Web address of a 
> > petition against the company's upcoming certified-mail program.
> >
> > The Internet service provider, which has roughly 20 million 
> > subscribers in the United States, began bouncing e-mail 
> > communications with the URL "Dearaol.com" sometime early Thursday, 
> > according to nonprofit
> MoveOn.org.
> > A e-mail sent by CNET News.com to an AOL.com address and containing 
> > the URL "www.dearaol.com" bounced back on Thursday afternoon with a 
> > system administrator note that read: "The e-mail system was unable 
> > to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason."
> >
> > Dearaol.com is a coalition of companies and individuals against 
> > AOL's adoption of GoodMail's CertifiedEmail, an antispam program 
> > that requires marketers to pay to ensure delivery of their e-mail 
> > messages and circumvent spam filters. The Web site contains an open 
> > letter and a petition that calls on people to protest what it calls 
> > an "e-mail tax" that would inhibit the Internet's inherent free flow 
> > of information
> and create a two-tiered system.
> > [snip]
> >
> > More:
> > http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6061089.html
> >
> > - ferg
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
> >  Engineering Architecture for the Internet  fergdawg () netzero net or 
> > fergdawg () sbcglobal net  ferg's tech blog:
> > http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
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