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Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information
From: der Mouse <mouse () Rodents Montreal QC CA>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:53:46 -0400 (EDT)
[This doesn't have much to do with privacy any longer; perhaps it should move somewhere else?]
The laws of thermodynamics make pulling hydrogen from water impractical.
More energy goes in than comes out.
The latter is true. The former is not. Cracking water into hydrogen and oxygen is not done because it's an energy win. It's done in order to convert energy that's available in a less useful form into some other more useful form. To pick one simple example, let's suppose that we're using sunlight as the energy source to crack water. We can't save up sunlight from large areas over long times and then use it in small bursts to drive a car. But we *can* crack water gradually, over long periods and large areas, bottle up the hydrogen, and use *that* in small bursts to drive a car. (We'd need to bottle up the oxygen too, except that the atmosphere's so full of oxygen that it makes a trivial transport medium for it.) The research in this area is all about reducing the losses in converting the incoming energy into the chemical energy inherent in unburnt hydrogen, and improving the ways the hydrogen is stored, transported, and burnt (improving in terms of not only energy efficiency but safety, convenience, and other practical ways). Similar remarks apply to using wind power, say. Of course, chemical energy storage (such as hydrogen) is not suitable for every need. Much energy use doesn't need storage; that's why we have an electrical grid - to average out use that's highly bursty at the small scale over large areas to get a demand smooth enough to satisfy with generators having relatively constant output, and to put economy-of-scale to work (since a few big generators can satisfy the demand more cheaply in almost all respects that lots of little generators). Fossil fuels are really just instances of the same thing, but with a time delay - a very long time delay, on human timescales - between converting sunlight into chemical energy and then using that chemical energy to, say, drive a car. (Almost all of the forms of energy available to us can be traced fairly drectly to sunlight. The one exception is nuclear energy, which is a long-term form of storage for energy from novas and supernovas.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse () rodents montreal qc ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ privacy mailing list privacy () whitestar linuxbox org http://www.whitestar.linuxbox.org/mailman/listinfo/privacy
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- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Dude VanWinkle (Aug 02)
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- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Brian Loe (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Blanchard_Michael (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Richard M. Smith (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Blanchard_Michael (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Richard M. Smith (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Drsolly (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Richard M. Smith (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Robert D. Holtz (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information der Mouse (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Dude VanWinkle (Aug 03)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Richard M. Smith (Aug 02)
- Re: [privacy] Medical firms sue to access Rx information Robert D. Holtz (Aug 02)