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Re: FW: Windows Live and Privacy


From: "Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:49:01 -0600

On 12/6/06, Bruce Ediger <eballen1 () qwest net> wrote:

Some philosophical objections to copyright also exist:
http://libertariannation.org/a/f31l1.html

I doubt those will make much impression on you.  The way you phrase your
question seems to indicate that you believe that "IP rights" should exist
to protect the ideas that you and/or other people come up with.  That's
a false basis for reasoning from, at least in terms of copyright law.
The basis of copyright law is to get people to disclose ideas by giving
them a short period of state-enforced monopoly, during which the inventor
can extract monopoly rents.

That's a whole lot different than the concept of intellectual *property*.
Ideas and concepts basically aren't "property" in the sense that a car
or a house or a factory building are property.  Your car can be stolen,
depriving you of the use of it.  However, if someone copies my ideas about
writing a checker-playing program, neither I nor my program are deprived of
the use of those ideas.

They made an impression on me the first time I read of them, many
years ago. I've read Hayek and my "favorite founding father" was
Jefferson, who Hayek also appreciated
(http://rack1.ul.cs.cmu.edu/jefferson/ and one with the candle
reference http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/001115).

Not sure where you might have pulled your impression of me from,
though. I'm arguing against copyrights in this particular discussion -
but also allowing the need for some IP laws. My ideas on copyright law
do not stray too far from those of the old white slave owners.
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