RE: Vigilante Hacker's Evidence Puts Judge Behind Bars

["Larry Seltzer" <Larry () larryseltzer com>]

Some juries are really credulous, especially when presented with crimes
they figure have to be punished somehow. 

Putting aside the fact that you're the one inserting the word
"multiple," since we don't know how many CD's there really were from the
article, who says the hacktivist burned them? Perhaps he just mixed
images in with the defendant's pictures of his own grandchildren, which
he then burned.

Based on the very little we know from this article it does look like
he's guilty. I'm challenging the whole idea of relying on evidence
obtained this way. 

Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.eweek.com/
http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larryseltzer () ziffdavis com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dude VanWinkle [mailto:dudevanwinkle () gmail com] 
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:07 PM
To: Larry Seltzer
Cc: Fergie; funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] Vigilante Hacker's Evidence Puts Judge Behind Bars

On 2/26/07, Larry Seltzer <Larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
> I don't want to delve into sophistry, but presumably all of those 
> media were at some point connected to the computer (the article 
> doesn't say that they weren't connected). Why couldn't the trojan 
> write to them when they became connected?
>
> You better hope that guys like this "hacktivist" don't take a 
> disliking to you or they'll plant something on you and call their 
> buddies at the FBI. What a way to run a legal system.

It would be a hard sell to a jury to convince them that multiple blank
cd roms were inside the computer and the hacktivist burned them all...

-JP
"it is the triumph of reason to get along well with those who have none"
-hari seldon
(j/k larry, still love ja)

> Larry Seltzer
> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> http://security.eweek.com/
> http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
> Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> larryseltzer () ziffdavis com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dude VanWinkle [mailto:dudevanwinkle () gmail com]
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Larry Seltzer
> Cc: Fergie; funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] Vigilante Hacker's Evidence Puts Judge Behind 
> Bars
>
> On 2/23/07, Larry Seltzer <Larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
> > Stuff like this is dangerous. I wrote about a similar case several 
> > years ago.
> >
> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1239017,00.asp
> >
> > How do they provce the hacker didn't plant the evidence?
>
>
> how would he plant evidence on _external media, such as cd roms and 
> other hdd's not connected to the computer, which the proffered article

> referred to
>
> -JP
> "RTFM dude!"
> -every admin since the dawn of time, up through the end of the 
> multiverse
> > Larry Seltzer
> > eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> > http://security.eweek.com/
> > http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/
> > Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> > larryseltzer () ziffdavis com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
> > On Behalf Of Fergie
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:55 PM
> > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: [funsec] Vigilante Hacker's Evidence Puts Judge Behind Bars
> >
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> > Interesting...
> >
> > Via InformationWeek.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > A former California judge was sentenced this week for possession of 
> > child pornography, five years after a vigilante hacker infiltrated 
> > his
>
> > computer with a Trojan horse computer program designed to weed out 
> > pedophiles.
> >
> > Former Orange County Superior Court Judge Ronald C. Kline, 65, of 
> > Irvine, Calif., was sentenced Feb. 20, to 27 months in federal 
> > prison for possessing thousands of images of under-age boys engaged 
> > in sexually explicit conduct. He pleaded guilty in December 2005 to 
> > four counts of possession of child pornography, admitting that the 
> > images of child pornography were on his home computer, two floppy 
> > disks and one portable disk drive, according to a written release
from the U.S.
> > Attorney's Office in the Central District of California.
> >
> > The sentencing wrapped up nearly six year of legal wrangling over 
> > the admissibility of evidence obtained from Kline's computer.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > More:
> > http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197
> > 00
> > 84
> > 31
> >
> > - - ferg
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> > --
> > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
> >  Engineering Architecture for the Internet  fergdawg(at)netzero.net 
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> >
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