RE: Law Enforcement at Disadvantage in War on Cyber Crime

[Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Joel R. Helgeson wrote:
> Admittedly, I didn't like the term either, but it is a correct usage in
> spite of the stigma associated with it.
> I was talking to a 'cop', and to a cop anyone outside law enforcement who
> takes down phishing sites is called a vigilante. It seems that *they* don't
> attach the stigma to it that we do. Not to be pedantic but a vigilante is
> "One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own
> hands."
>
> We need another word, and I'm not voting for "Community Enforcement
> Officer"...
>
> On second thought your honor, I can see this thread turning into another
> "redefining the meaning of 0Day" so I hereby withdraw my question and
> petition the court to have this entire thread stricken from the record.

Good.


> -joel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gadi Evron [mailto:ge () linuxbox org]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:41 PM
> To: Joel R. Helgeson
> Cc: 'Paul Ferguson'; funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: RE: [funsec] Law Enforcement at Disadvantage in War on Cyber Crime
>
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Joel R. Helgeson wrote:
> > An aside on this issue is a conversation I had with a Federal Agent about
> > cybercrime - (no, I wasn't being interrogated)...
> > That the majority of policing the net is done by vigilantes; they are the
> > ones who respond to phishing scams, email, etc. Something we need to
> > appreciate/realize is that being a cyber-cop is part and parcel of being a
> > Netizen.
>
> Use the term vigilante and I will cut off your ears. :P
>
> Kidding, but seriously, it has gotten us into trouble before.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Ferguson
> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: [funsec] Law Enforcement at Disadvantage in War on Cyber Crime
> >
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> > Via GCN.com.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > The two things law enforcement and government need to combat the epidemic
> > of cybercrime is better information sharing and better information to
> > share, a panel of security experts on Capitol Hill concluded Monday.
> >
> > The panel was put together by the Advisory Committee to the Congressional
> > Internet Caucus to discuss cybersecurity threat assessment. The picture
> > they painted was a familiar one of increasingly sophisticated online
> > criminals responsible for a global crime wave that law enforcement has
> > neither the technical nor legal resources to combat.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > More:
> > http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/45285-1.html
> >
> > - - ferg
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> > --
> > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
> > Engineering Architecture for the Internet
> > fergdawg(at)netzero.net
> > ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
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