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Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks
From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:24:56 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Your claim of bullshit is not shared by others (including myself) who have done extensive & exhaustive research on some of this stuff for several years. So if you're saying I'm bullshitting you, I will take that kind of personal. If you don't believe in organized crime, in association with corrupt government, how do you explain some of these specific charges? Klingons? Come one, stop fucking around.
WTF? Fergie, while I am willing to accept that my work on the Estonian conflict for the past 2 years has been wrong, and that all the data I have seen I read wrong... It is unlikely. Most of the data available is based on my work. Most resulting research is based on my work. My research is more into how the attacks ran and what was done. I have never hazzarded (beyond my KGB joke) a guess as to who attacked. I always claimed that pointing fingers on who launched the attacks is not possible from the technical data available. Specific proof will have to be shown. My research indicates that while the attacks were obviously organized, it is not possible to say if they were ad-hoc, or planned. Nor who really launched them if they were launched. My blog post shows some of these rummours and asks for decent proof under which we can judge them. I ignored them thus far, but serious security researchers such as Bruce Schneier actually believe the b/s about a student doing it. Enough is enough. Further, while I respect you and your work, generic Russian cyber crime research is not necessarily relevant here. That said, if you don't have specific proof to show me I am wrong but can only embarass me in public with claims, AND then if your proof is not good enough to not just be another "maybe" theory, I'd appreciate you taking a very big step back, and apologizing. Show me what you got. Your personal attack is wearing on my nerves, and I don't deserve it, especially from you. You have a lot of rope with me, but you nearly just burned it. As to Grey Goose. I am more than open to see any new evidence shown, but I will judge it critically and neutrally. I only know about his Gaza research. I have not been happy about him calling Gaza a cyber-war, that's b/s. Further what he does quote about Gaza is material I brought forward through certain communities and is anecdotal. That does not mean his other work is not relevant or well researched. Gadi. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Paul Ferguson (Mar 06)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 06)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 18)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Paul Ferguson (Mar 18)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 18)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Paul Ferguson (Mar 18)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 18)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Paul Ferguson (Mar 18)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Viktor Larionov (Mar 07)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 07)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Paul Ferguson (Mar 07)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 08)
- Re: Behind The Estonia Cyber Attacks Gadi Evron (Mar 07)