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Re: Image forensics
From: Martin Tomasek <tomasek () ufe cz>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:04:24 +0100
Dan Kaminsky napsal(a):
I also dont doubt the fundamental thesis that some manipulation can be detected (especially in a trivial case like 'was this image downsized' or 'was this saved by Photoshop instead of a Canon camera', which is obvious from quantization tables if not from the raw EXIF).
Well.. the manipulations you mention doesn't seem like something bad to me. And it is pretty normal to retouch the photos. No professional photographer would sell unretouched photos. And just one more thing: standard formats for photographs are raw formats. Most people use tools from adobe for jpeg conversion. So, you if you are insurance company for example, you can detect adobe-specific quantisation algorithms, but it does not prove fradulent manipulation. If software like adobe lightroom is involved in the process, it even does light sharpening before export to jpeg (the reason of this is that transfer of jpeg to photographic paper blurs the photo slightly). I wonder what would image manipulation detectors detect in photos with heavy tonality corrections, such as photos from inca's gold exhibition in my gallery: http://www.ufe.cz/~tomasek/gallery/zlato_inku/index.html <http://www.ufe.cz/%7Etomasek/gallery/zlato_inku/index.html> or in photos with split toning: http://www.ufe.cz/~tomasek/gallery/zvire_v_pasti/content/DSC_2822_large.html <http://www.ufe.cz/%7Etomasek/gallery/zvire_v_pasti/content/DSC_2822_large.html> -- Martin Tomasek _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Image forensics Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Dec 27)
- Re: Image forensics Dan Kaminsky (Dec 27)
- Re: Image forensics Martin Tomasek (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Imri Goldberg (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Martin Tomasek (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Martin Tomasek (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Dan Kaminsky (Dec 27)
- Re: Image forensics Martin Tomasek (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Gadi Evron (Dec 28)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Image forensics Dr. Neal Krawetz (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Dan Kaminsky (Dec 28)
- Re: Image forensics Dr. Neal Krawetz (Dec 28)