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Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups)
From: Nick FitzGerald <nick () virus-l demon co uk>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:03:53 +1300
Valdis Kletnieks wrote: <<snip good stuff>>
As has been pointed out, there's around 100M compromised boxes with credentials waiting to be abused. Anything that fails to account for that is simply not worth the effort, as it's broken as designed.
...and, as this was all obvious _before_ the "solutions" we have been talking about were designed, I'd argue that saying they were "broken as designed" is a tad too polite to their designers. Anyone who knew anything about the problem reputedly being addressed should have been well aware of these limitations, so these things were actually "broken _by_ design". Any of the "designers" of these reputed solutions who says otherwise, or who allowed these suggested "solutions" to progress to RFC stage, is admitting their lack of expertise and knowledge of the actual problem set and therefore is admitting to being _incompetent_ to have been involved in said designing, etc... If you agree at all with "der Mouse's" view of the sad state of the separation of authority and responsibility in the "Internet governance" sphere, the above result ("fixing the SMTP spam problem" was run by a bunch of essential incompetents and/or had to progress through a process that imposed incompetence on the results), you wouldn't be at all surprised by the outcome. Regards, Nick FitzGerald _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups), (continued)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Paul M. Moriarty (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 13)