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Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs
From: disco jonny <discojonny () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:14:12 +0100
Thats alright then. good to know i didnt look for or find any bugs. I wonder why they paid me. On 28 March 2010 23:45, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
I know because I asked them and they gave me an actual response. In the last 18 months they found exactly 1 vulnerability themselves, and they found it ancillary to looking into the Kaminsky DNS bug after Dan Kaminsky reported that to them. Larry Seltzer Contributing Editor, PC Magazine http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ Sent from my BlackBerry ----- Original Message ----- From: disco jonny <discojonny () gmail com> To: Larry Seltzer Cc: funsec () linuxbox org <funsec () linuxbox org> Sent: Sun Mar 28 16:45:51 2010 Subject: Re: [funsec] Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugsBut once the product ships they stop looking.rubbish. I have worked there and seen that they do continual vuln assessment through out a products lifetime. [well for the products i worked on. (office 2k3 & 2k7)] They just dont beat their chest when they patch [they do it silently and push it out with the disclosed vulns] - reverse a few patches and see how many issues are fixed. You seem to often think how it is then state that it is like that - as a fact. it really annoys me. How do you know what ms does and doesnt do? On 27 March 2010 12:58, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:I wrote about this myself a little while ago: http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/12/does_microsoft_look_for_vul ner.php Microsoft puts a lot of effort into security research for products under development. But once the product ships they stop looking. Alex Sotirov pointed out that Microsoft's customers, by paying iDefense and TippingPoint and the like, end up paying for research Microsoft should be doing. Perhaps Microsoft is also a customer of these companies, I don't know. LJS -----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Juha-Matti Laurio Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:24 AM To: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: [funsec] Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9174120/Pwn2Own_winner_tells_Appl e_Microsoft_to_find_their_own_bugs "The only researcher to "three-peat" at the Pwn2Own hacking contest said today that security is such a "broken record" that he won't hand over 20 vulnerabilities he's found in Apple's, Adobe's and Microsoft's software. Instead Charlie Miller will show the vendors how to find the bugs themselves. Miller, who yesterday exploited Safari on a MacBook Pro notebook running Snow Leopard to win $10,000 in the hacking challenge, said he's tired of the lack of progress in security. "We find a bug, they patch it," said Miller. "We find another bug, they patch it. That doesn't improve the security of the product." Juha-Matti _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Larry Seltzer (Mar 28)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs disco jonny (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Larry Seltzer (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs disco jonny (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Larry Seltzer (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Dan Kaminsky (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Larry Seltzer (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Dan Kaminsky (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Larry Seltzer (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Larry Seltzer (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs disco jonny (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs Blue Boar (Mar 31)
- Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs disco jonny (Mar 31)