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Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ...
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:50:50 -0400
"The answer is no to that," a BP spokesman, Tom Mueller, said on Saturday. "We're not going to take any extra efforts now to calculate flow there at this point. It's not relevant to the response effort, and it might even detract from the response effort."
Not to mention the harm it will cause BP when it comes time for the civil and criminal suits. It sounds like BP is vastly under-reporting the rate of flow. Perhaps, in part, due to Department of Justice lawyers: "Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday he was dispatching a team of lawyers to New Orleans to monitor the oil spill and that the Obama administration would vigorously enforce environmental laws." (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63T42P20100430). Exxon played the US court system in the Valdez eco-disaster. It will be interesting to see if BP can match Exxon's 'judicial gamesmanship'. I imagine BP has already begun to bribe members of the US Congress, or increasing the amount of the bribes (err, 'PAC contributions'), in preparation for future preceedings. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org> wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 08:35:58PM -0400, Dan Kaminsky wrote:Anyway, the best estimates I've seen came from a random Slashdot post, which actually cited some checkable mathematics ( http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1651510&cid=32201876):I checked it, and while I'm able to reproduce the calculation, I'm not able to reproduce the numbers: my results are an order of magnitude and change larger. There could be any number of reasons for that: I might have botched the math, or a units conversion, or chosen significantly unrealistic values for some of the other parameters required (like viscosity or fluid velocity). Or my fluid mechanics may be rustier than I thought. But that's, I think, just one more reason why we should be dispensing with all these estimates in favor of a direct measurement: the Pitot tube method should yield a value for total fluid discharge accurate to better than 1%. However: BP has resisted entreaties from scientists that they be allowed to use sophisticated instruments at the ocean floor that would give a far more accurate picture of how much oil is really gushing from the well. "The answer is no to that," a BP spokesman, Tom Mueller, said on Saturday. "We're not going to take any extra efforts now to calculate flow there at this point. It's not relevant to the response effort, and it might even detract from the response effort." Source: Giant Plumes of Oil Forming Under the Gulf http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/us/16oil.html?hp Yes, as I'm sure we'll all well aware, one of the last things anyone should want to do when tackling an engineering problem is to have a reasonably accurate idea of its size. ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ..., (continued)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... B.K. DeLong (May 14)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Rich Kulawiec (May 14)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Dan Kaminsky (May 14)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Dave Paris (May 15)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Rich Kulawiec (May 17)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Dan Kaminsky (May 17)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Valdis . Kletnieks (May 17)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... chris (May 17)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Dan Kaminsky (May 17)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Rich Kulawiec (May 19)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Jeffrey Walton (May 17)
- Re: OK, here's a risk analysis question for you ... Dan Kaminsky (May 14)