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Re: National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace


From: Faith Young <faith.m.young () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:40:39 -0400

Accidentally only sent to Dave (sorry for sending you two).

My first question was totally off topic, but what ever happened to
IPv6....(just kidding) My second question was how?  You too can submit
your ideas here - http://www.nstic.ideascale.com/

From the DarkReading article -
http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/security/government/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225701705

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Dave Paris <dparis () w3works com> wrote:
On 6/28/2010 2:42 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 09:25:11PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
a) How do you protect it?  Both "private key stored on the computer" and
"password sent to the certifying system" aren't very secure if the user's
computer is one of the 150 million compromised systems. Other systems, like
smart cards, assume that standardized smart card readers are ubiquitous...

Exactly.  It continues to simultaneously amaze and disappoint me that
so many supposed "experts" are blissfully unaware of the current state
of the 'net and have absolutely no idea that their latest Big Idea was
already completely defeated years before they came up with it.

It's not so much a case of the state being "aren't very secure", as much
as it is a case of being 100% *non-trustable*.  If you can't trust the
source in the first place, everything stemming from it is inherently
insecure.

As to Rich's comment ...why be good & effective when you can be sloppy &
irrelevant and still have people throw money at you?  :(  I stopped
being amazed or disappointed when I accepted the fact that men with
money will always throw more money at a stupid idea they know little
about when there's the potential to make more money off far more people
who know as little or less than they do.  ...which pretty much
encompasses the entirety of Wall St.

-d
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