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Re: big hit on US coming?
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:26:01 -0500
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:51:00 +0200, Imri Goldberg said:
Well, it seems to me your (Keith Olbermann's) point was that given that all other defense lines failed, a "highschool dropout" (read: the TSA guy on the spot) can't do anything.
No, the question is whether you want to bet the whole ball of wax on them being able to do so. If you want to argue "The TSA is there for the 10% chance they'll manage to foil a plot", fine by me. But is that really the point you want to take? The TSA didn't stop the underwear bomber - that got stopped by a smackdown delivered by other passengers. The TSA didn't stop the recent printer cartridge plot - that was other agencies. In fact, I can't recall hearing *any* plots that have been discovered and stopped by the TSA - they seem to be unable to do anything except find 10% of the people who have accidentally brought a knife with them.
This is exactly the case in the night of the gliders - all defense lines failed - the real guard actually ran away. But a single soldier with the sense to do something managed to stop the enemy. And the TSA being incompetent/inept/etc. now doesn't mean they have to be, or that there's no place for an organization such as the TSA in general.
A number of security experts have pointed out that the TSA as currently set up is not good for much of anything except security theater. There may indeed be a place for an organization charged with actually improving transportation safety, but the TSA isn't it, and if there *were* an organization, it wouldn't be "such as the TSA" - it would have to be an actual competent agency charged with actually improving security, which is an entirely different beast.
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