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Re: China vs. U.S.: The cyber Cold War is raging
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:40:34 -0400
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Dave Paris <dparis () w3works com> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com> wrote:http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/28/technology/government_hackers/ (This is part four of a week-long series on the ecosystem of cybercrime) On April 8, 2010, traffic to about 15% of the world's websites was rerouted to China. State-owned Internet company China Telecom tricked relays from around the world into routing traffic through its servers for about 18 minutes.[...] Fat fingering and leaking a full internet routing table is hardly "tricking" - and it only affected peering providers who don't employ max prefix values on their peering sessions. While I cannot say whether this was purposefully done, I can say that ChinaTel is not the first, nor will they be the last to do this. It's been done before by both domestic and international carriers & peers ..and will be done again by that same group. Blindly attributing malice to every suspect action is no way to approach global networking. Proof of intent goes a lot further than conjecture with those of us who see this kind of thing happen on global backbones as part of our jobs, rather than those who observe it from a protracted distance through glasses who see everything as a conspiracy.
The media is getting out of control with hype, and both the US and Chinese are probably guilty as charged. Did you read http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/11/01/101101fa_fact_hersh: On April 1, 2001, an American EP-3E Aries II reconnaissance plane on an eavesdropping mission collided with a Chinese interceptor jet over the South China Sea, triggering the first international crisis of George W. Bush’s Administration. ... The Navy’s experts didn’t believe that China was capable of reverse-engineering the plane’s N.S.A.-supplied operating system, estimated at between thirty and fifty million lines of computer code, according to a former senior intelligence official. Mastering it would give China a road map for decrypting the Navy’s classified intelligence and operational data.... The U.S. realized the extent of its exposure only in late 2008. A few weeks after Barack Obama’s election, the Chinese began flooding a group of communications links known to be monitored by the N.S.A. with a barrage of intercepts, two Bush Administration national-security officials and the former senior intelligence official told me. The intercepts included details of planned American naval movements. The Chinese were apparently showing the U.S. their hand. (“The N.S.A. would ask, ‘Can the Chinese be that good?’ ” the former official told me. “My response was that they only invented gunpowder in the tenth century and built the bomb in 1965. I’d say, ‘Can you read Chinese?’ We don’t even know the Chinese pictograph for ‘Happy hour.’ ”) _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- China vs. U.S.: The cyber Cold War is raging Jeffrey Walton (Jul 28)
- Re: China vs. U.S.: The cyber Cold War is raging Dave Paris (Jul 28)
- Re: China vs. U.S.: The cyber Cold War is raging Jeff Kell (Jul 28)
- Re: China vs. U.S.: The cyber Cold War is raging Jeffrey Walton (Jul 28)
- Re: China vs. U.S.: The cyber Cold War is raging Dave Paris (Jul 28)