Re: Citizen cyber-protectors?

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

If someone can't be bothered to write their thoughts down, and require me 
to spend 20 minutes to watch a video giving views that I could have read 
in one minute, then I'm not going to devote my time to listen to them.

Since I haven't heard what he has to say, I cannot comment on his views. 
Except to point out that 99% of people are as interested in computer 
security as they are in beetle collecting. And anything that depends on 
them being more interested than that, or better informed, is doomed.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote:

> Marc Goodman (who I believe is https://twitter.com/FutureCrimes and 
> http://www.futurecrimes.com/ ) gave a recent TED talk on trends in the use of 
> high technology in crime:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/marc_goodman_a_vision_of_crimes_in_the_future.html
>
> The 20 minute talk is frightening, with very little in the way of comfort for the 
> protection or security side.  He ends with a call for crowdsourcing of protection.
>
> Now as a transparent society/open source/full disclosure kind of guy, I like the 
> general idea.  But, as someone who has been involved in education, security 
> awareness, and professional security training for some time, I see a few problems.  
> For crowdsourcing to work, you need a critical mass of at least minimally capable 
> people.  When you are talking about a weather reporting app, that minimal 
> capability isn't much. When you are talking about detecting cyberwar or 
> bioweapons, the capability levels are a bit different.
>
> Just yesterday the PNWER (Pacific NorthWest Economic Region 
> http://www.pnwer.org/ ) conference became the latest to bemoan the lack of 
> trained employees.  I rather suspect these constant complaints, since I see lots of 
> people out of work.  But the people who are whining about employees are just 
> looking for network admins and such.  We need people with more depth and more 
> breadth in their backgrounds.  I get CISSP candidates in my seminars who are 
> network admins who simply want to know a few ACLS for firewalls.  I have to 
> keep telling them that security professionals need to know more than that.
>
> Yes, I am privileged to be able to meet a number who *are* interested in learning 
> everything possible in order to meet any need or problem.  But, relatively 
> speaking, those are few.  And my sample set tends to be abnormal, in that these 
> are people who have already shown some interest in training (even if only job 
> related).  What Goodman is talking about is the general public.  And those of us 
> who have actually tried security awareness know how little conceptual awareness 
> we have to build on, let alone advanced technical knowledge.
>
> I think awareness, self-protection, and crowdsourcing is probably the only good 
> way to approach the problems Goodman outlines.  I just worry that we have a long 
> way to go.
>
> http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/1793
>
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