Re: "Skills gap"?

[John Bambenek <bambenek.infosec () gmail com>]

I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers 
that have letters but are utterly unqualified.  And they get employed by 
the thousands.

Exhibit A: Web developers.

On the upside, unlimited job security for those of us who have to 
respond to incidents involving their lousy crap.

On 11/29/12 1:05 PM, Ballard, Sean (OS/ASA/OCIO/ITIO) (CTR) wrote:
> The MCSE bootcamp craze of the late 1990's was crazy to, so many used car salesmen turned instant engineers.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of John Bambenek
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:59 PM
> To: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
>
> FWIW, I was trolling my employer Ernst & Young about a decade ago about certifications so I took the CCNA one day after 
> cramming a book.  Prior to the exam, I had never laid eyes on a cisco device, much less interacted with one.
>
> Passed the test.
>
> Anyone need a network engineer? :)
>
> On 11/29/12 12:36 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> > Yes, I actually built real networks. :-)
> >
> > - ferg
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
> > <michael.blanchard () emc com> wrote:
> >
> > > Don't Cisco certs require you to perform a function on real
> > > equipment?  Or did they remove that piece :-(
> > >
> > >     The tester would "break" a network in such a complex manner that the testee would have to dig deep into their 
> > > practical knowledge to make it work again... within the allotted time period...
> > >
> > >    I always liked that as a valid "test" of knowledge actually...
> > >
> > > Michael P. Blanchard
> > > Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of
> > > Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation
> > > 32 Coslin Drive
> > > Southboro, MA 01772
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
> > > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:21 PM
> > > To: Rich Kulawiec
> > > Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
> > > Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Certifications are, in practice, crap.
> > > Amen.
> > >
> > > Short story: As an early Cisco engineer, I (and may other very
> > > talented people) helped develop the original CCIE program. I wince
> > > now when I hear people reference Cisco "certifications" because now,
> > > they are absolutely meaningless.
> > >
> > > Curmudgeonly yours,
> > >
> > > - ferg
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
> > >    fergdawgster(at)gmail.com
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