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more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in Genesis!
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:06:15 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Kobrin, Steve" <kobrins () wharton upenn edu> Date: August 5, 2005 11:49:31 AM EDT To: dave () farber netSubject: RE: [IP] more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in Genesis!
There is a broader question here. First, "we" is relative; it is far from clear to me that the large number of Americans who refuse to accept evolution would condemn the Pope. More importantly, where have we failed as educators? It is all too easy to blame all of this on the Christian Right or fundamentalists. But if the surveys are right and around 50% of Americans do not accept evolution, then 50% of Americans do not accept geology, physics, archeology and a host of other sciences. Most of these people are high school graduates and a good number have college degrees. What kind of science education did they have? Evolution is somewhat abstract in the sense that you can not see or feel it; rocks, however, are not. Strata are visible to all. Most of these people have had science in high school or college. However, if someone tells them that it is all nonsense and the world was created 5000 years ago, they believe it. One has to wonder about the quality of science education in this country. Given Bush's latest statement one also has to wonder about the quality of science education at Andover and Yale. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-ip () v2 listbox com [mailto:owner-ip () v2 listbox com] On Behalf Of David Farber Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:12 AM To: Ip Ip Subject: [IP] more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in Genesis! Begin forwarded message: From: gep2 () terabites com Date: August 5, 2005 10:32:52 AM EDT To: dfarber () cs cmu edu Subject: [IP] more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in Genesis! And the Pope excommunicated scientists, centuries back, who dared to publicly cling to the preposterous and anti-religious notion that the sun and other planets didn't really rotate around the Earth, either. Today, we look back at the Pope and other "religious" folk of the era and laugh at his (and their) ridiculous arrogance. And we applaud the scientists and astronomers who were willing to stand up against "Christians", and speak about what we clearly now KNOW is the truth. It's amazing how history repeats itself, and how little some folks have learned. <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: [IP] more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in Genesis! Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:29:25 -0400 To: Ip Ip <ip () v2 listbox com> Reply-To: dave () farber net [snip] This argument by numbers demonstrates that what the creationists are doing is not science despite their protestations. Real science is about testing facts, not signing loyalty oaths. No matter how many theocrats want material on creationism, the flat earth, or the heavenly spheres tought in science classes, it's still not science. [snip] <---- End Forwarded Message ----> Gordon Peterson http://personal.terabites.com/ 1977-2002 Twenty-fifth anniversary year of Local Area Networking! Support free and fair US elections! http://stickers.defend- democracy.org 12/19/98: Partisan Republicans scornfully ignore the voters they "represent". 12/09/00: the date the Republican Party took down democracy in America. ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as KobrinS () wharton upenn edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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