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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:43:35 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Steven Hertzberg <stevenstevensteven () gmail com> Date: June 4, 2006 1:09:12 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: peter () redesignresearch com Subject: RE: [IP] more on Was the 2004 election stolen? Yes.What we said was that the exit polls and our audit do not support the claim of fraud. While we are unable to rule out fraud, we can't find evidence of
it.As I mentioned earlier, we did find plenty of error in the system, so we're
working with election officials in Ohio to implement improved systems to mitigate this error prior to 2008.Finally, I would encourage those activists who are quick to criticize our
work, with little specifics, to conduct their own exit poll. It is much harder than it looks and not always as accurate as everyone would want. Steven -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 8:00 PM To: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: [IP] more on Was the 2004 election stolen? Yes. Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Jones <peter () redesignresearch com> Date: June 3, 2006 7:07:43 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: [IP] more on Was the 2004 election stolen? Yes. Dave - As an Ohio resident who also personally observed and recorded the2004 election vote recount in Greene County, I can attest to the fact that
the systematic manipulation of the recount process was managed by phonecalls and directives from SoS Blackwell's office. I was there when the calls came in. I observed that the statutory procedures we fledgling observers had been recently trained in were, in fact, not followed - and when challenged,
the Board of Elections officials merely stated "they always did it this way." The Cuyahoga County BOE was indicted for election law crimes for conducting their2004 recount using the same process, because they had prosecutors willing to take on the case. The illegal recount process was systematic and controlled
by the Secretary of State, now candidate for Governor.As far as Manjoo goes, or Steve Hertzberg for that matter, they have been consistently publishing the same position since 2004, and I invite them to reopen the issue themselves. To look at the mountains of evidence compiled
by grassroots Ohio activists - collaborations of statisticians and mathprofessors among them - and national groups such as the one I copy below. I
welcome people to read Kathy Dopp's statistical analysis based on Ohio precinct data which knocks dead Warren Mitofksy's weak and handwaving response suggesting there was bias in his exit polls which showed Kerry winning Ohio. See: http:// uscountvotes.org/ Which is now the NationalElection Data Archive project, a people's project to collect vote actuals
data in all future elections to prevent this kind of catastrophe from occurring again. The National Election Data Archive publicly released a paper "2004 Presidential Election - Compendium of Attempts to Dismiss Vote Fraud"which solidly rebuts, in 6 short pages, the academic arguments which claim
to have shown that there is no vote fraud/miscounts in U.S. elections. The short compendium of academic attempts to dismiss vote fraud includes claims made by the Democratic National Committee and pollster Warren Mitofksy among others: http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/ IncorrectElectionDataAnalysis-06.pdf Every argument that Mitofksy, Election Science Institute, the Democratic National Committee, and others have made which purports that there is noevidence of vote miscount in U.S. elections is refuted in a page or less in
this short compendium by the National Election Data Archive's volunteer statisticians and mathematicians.Warren Mitofsky is very well respected within AAPOR due to his past work and leadership. Consequently Mitofsky's position, that exit poll discrepancies were caused by partisan response bias rather than vote miscounts is given
great weight within AAPOR. However, the National Election Data Archive, describes recent Mitofsky analyses which were presented by Mitofsky andFritz Scheuren at recent ASA.org and AAPOR.org conferences, as "sophistry"
rather than mathematically valid analyses. The National Election Data Archive points out that the National ElectionPool (NEP) and Mitofsky have not yet released any exit poll data or analysis
publicly that supports this response bias hypothesis. Yet all the dataregarding pollster conditions which Mitofsky claims they analyzed would not
pose any risk to voter confidentiality to release. The National Election Data Archive invites everyone to read its concise paper which solidly rebuts all the arguments made to date which claim to demonstrate a lack of evidence of vote fraud in U.S. elections. (Leaving my contact info out) ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as stevenstevensteven () gmail com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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