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Hopes for Wireless Cities Fade as Internet Providers Pull Out


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:03:08 -0400



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From: dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: March 24, 2008 8:19:12 AM EDT
To: Dewayne-Net Technology List <xyzzy () warpspeed com>
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Re: Hopes for Wireless Cities Fade as Internet Providers Pull Out

[Note:  This comment comes from friend Ken DiPietro.  DLH]

From: ken <ken () new-isp net>
Date: March 24, 2008 4:19:03 AM PDT
To: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>
Subject: Hopes for Wireless Cities - The sky is not falling. (long)

Bob,

Thanks for your reply. As you can see, based on the passion I approach this subject, this is something I feel deeply about. My apologies, in advance, for the length of this reply and suggest that many people on this list might wish to skip past this post, should Dewayne elect to distribute this message to the list.


From my perspective, there are five distinct areas where we have sharp disagreement, including; business model, technology (as defined by the network architecture), the value of applications, what we should accept with respect to reliability, and lastly, philosophy. For clarity's sake, I will parse this reply by topic to present a far clearer understanding of my vision, as I believe that the overall difference between us is one of what we believe the future should look like.

There is one point that I would like to make abundantly clear. There is a need for more viable options for these critical services than we have to choose from currently. The corporations now operating in this space place significantly higher value on profit over public safety, which is to be expected. However, this is something that we, as a society, should have learned is not in our best interest based on the lessons provided by 9/11 and Katrina.


The Business model -

We certainly agree that most of the attempts at building these MuniWiFi networks to date been based on horrific business models. One might want to take into account that this experiment is less than five years old and that when an experimental network fails it is to be expected, or rather embraced, as it is through efforts like this that we all learn.

With that said, I believe there are several business models that will flourish and remain sustainable, but every one of them is dependent on the underlying technology chosen. WiFi, especially Ad Hoc networking, is exactly the wrong technology to use in deploying the type of networks I envision.

Let me offer this premise, the communications industry thrives based on one crucial fact - businesses will pay more for services, as long as those services are both cost effective and 100% reliable.

If we are willing to accept that, we can then move on to figuring out how we can lower the cost for communications for society as a whole - something we both share a belief in.

As a specific example, gigabit connectivity in the major metropolitan US markets is priced somewhere around $10K per month. At today's equipment prices, we would expect to see roughly a three month ROI to deliver this service to this customer. Based on historical evidence we can expect an 80% price drop in this equipment once it hits mass production. This cost reduction should then translate into a substantial decrease in fees to this customer. Please note, this one customer has also very willingly subsidized a one gigabit loop in the network while lowering their cost for service. This is the definition of a win/win business arrangement.

Technology -

In a time where single digit Mbps connectivity places our country at the bottom of the industrialized world, you are advocating that we deploy a *shared* single digit Mbps network. To add insult to injury, these Ad Hoc network operates in half duplex mode in a world where applications like VoIP and Video Conferencing demand full duplex, symmetrical, and low latency connections. Further, when used in a "Mesh" architecture we have a series of half duplex radios "relaying" full duplex applications, across an unknown number of hops, with each hopping device (adding latency at every hop) while including in their own traffic load. My experience tells me that this type of hardware is unsuitable for this kind of work and that in times of increased need, these networks fold under the onslaught of relatively few VoIP calls alone. Add to that the reality that these networks must all use the same channel, one can see that the busier the network becomes the more self-interference they create.

Instead, I see a very different future. As I type this to you, all of the pieces are available to create the network I am about to describe, even though, admittedly, the cost for some of the components are quite high currently.

At the core of this proposed network is fiber - and in most urban areas of this country, if not all, there is an adequate supply or whatever is missing can be built out, as necessary. This fiber is now fed into ultra high capacity wireless links such as the kind manufactured by Gigabeam, which are capable of delivering speeds in excess of one gigbit full duplex. These ultra high frequency radios have a relatively short range but are perfect for creating the first layer off of our fiber core. This "EBand" technology also has the ability to collocate "near limitless" links as self-interference is almost non-existent. Based on our ability to carry multi-gigabit connectivity across this layer, we can now provide customers who need this service a product that they will gladly pay for.

The next level down offers many choices in both licensed and license exempt hardware which are capable of delivering throughput in the multiple hundreds of megabits up to in excess of one gigabit. In any given urban area these radios could be deployed to cover the next layer of this network, allowing for SLA capable service to be deployed for businesses that are interested in paying. This layer, as well as the EBand layer previously described, serves a dual purpose allowing us to connect the edge network into the fabric.

At the edge, we new deploy shared connectivity of 100Mbps, or greater, for fixed/mobile communications. Given the current adoption of WiFi technology we need to accept that WiFi is the common connection vehicle and that admittefly while this is not conducive to delivering speeds in excess of 50Mbps, that day is rapidly approaching with the rise of the draft n standard. Until that time, multiple access points will need to segregate the slower (conventional) WiFi users from the N users so as to provide faster speeds for those who are able to take advantage of them and a slower class of service (for VoIP and other low bandwidth applications like meter reading) to share.

Returning back to the business model (as these sections are intertwined) one can see how a potential for a marketable service offering springs to life when we realize that we are not talking about a miserable, DSL-like service but rather a service that bests the fastest commercially available service, assuming we give Fios that award.

Please note - As this discussion has completely omitted any mention of bringing connectivity into rural areas I have not addressed this issue. This is not to say that I do not believe this is a critical problem and perhaps we can revisit this pressing issue in another thread, if the list is interested.

Applications -

Let's narrow this view to one specific application of this technology as an example so as to differentiate our visions.

Imagine a city where every first responder is equipped with ubiquitous full, multimedia capable, mobile connectivity. This now provides for a real level of situational awareness to be implemented and in the case of paramedics, telemetrics could be transmitted, not just to the emergency room nurse but to specialists for consultation during the ambulance ride or Medivac trip to the hospital. In the case of a stroke this could make all the difference between a recovery and a vegetable.

Moving out from that scenario, 802.11p offers the promise of real time communications between the emergency vehicle and other drivers for increased safety. This makes it possible to warn non-emergency vehicles of an approaching emergency vehicle and/or changing the traffic signal to allow for an uninterrupted travel to an emergency, when every second counts. Even better, in cases of traffic jams or accident the ambulance could be rerouted around the problem, in real time, allowing it to reach the hospital in as little time as possible. This is what you alluded to with your comment regarding real time traffic monitoring.

Is this a service that people will pay for? No, not directly, but the huge sums of money now being spent to provide emergency communications could be shifted to help offset the cost of building these networks with a net gain in usability and functionality. This is only one example of a service that improves the quality of life and I think we both agree that money isn't everything.

Currently, I am tracking close to two dozen applications that either add value to a well designed network (read generate revenue) or improve the quality of life for residents of any area this technology is deployed in
- with more applications being added in on a regular basis.

Reliability -

Briefly, we have gone from a country that took our nearly 100% reliable communications network for granted, one that was once the communications network the rest of the world measured against, to one that puts up with dropped calls, miserable sound quality (like anyone thought it could actually get worse) and areas of no coverage. Incredibly, we now have Verizon using this stupidity in their advertising campaigns and quite frankly I believe it is an admission of failure that they have to ask if I can hear them now.

I, for one, am not interested in "hearing" how we can continue this mindset. I think we have done an incredible job of degrading what we once had right.

Philosophy -

Here is where I am afraid we will see the greatest difference in our positions - one that I am at a loss to understand how an obviously intelligent person like yourself could possibly try to defend.

As I understand your position, you are proposing that we should "share" access points connected to residential connectivity to provide our poor with, what can only be considered, substandard connectivity. I find that to be nothing short of appalling.

In a world where the ability to get a great education, versus an adequate one, can be measured in the difference between a child having a rich, multimedia online experience, unimpeded by connection speed may literally be the difference between success and failure. What you are proposing, to my admittedly limited way of thinking, is that the wealthy get FTTH and the poor eat virtual cake. I am sorry, I find that nothing short of reprehensible.

I grew up during a time when building something of quality was what a person took pride in, a time when building something substandard was frowned upon, labeled as "cheap" and considered unacceptable, a time when an artisan returned home from a day's work feeling satisfied based on knowing that an exemplary job had been done.

Nowhere in your position can I find that set of values. Perhaps I am outdated and you are right in your views. If so, I will continue to advocate doing the wrong thing.

I look forward to your reply,

Ken


On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 23:55 -0700, Dewayne Hendricks wrote:
[Note:  This comment comes from friend Bob Frankston.  DLH]

From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Date: March 22, 2008 2:22:44 PM PDT
To: "'Dewayne Hendricks'" <dewayne () warpspeed com>
Cc: "'ken'" <ken () new-isp net>
Subject: RE: [Dewayne-Net] Re: Hopes for Wireless Cities Fade as
Internet Providers Pull Out

I’m respond to Ken and you can forward it to the list.

The crux of the disagreement comes at the end of the comments with the
focus on reliability and sigmas. The problem with sigma reliability as
with QoS is that the measures are arbitrary and more about perfecting
what we have than creating opportunity for much more.

This is an issue I address in http://www.frankston.com/?name=WiFiEdge
because it’s at the heart of the difference between the Telco idea of
providing reliable services and the Internet focus on creating
opportunity. The End-To-End argument (http://www.reed.com/dpr/docs/Papers/EndtoEnd.html
) explains how you can create solutions without depend on the middle
for more than best efforts. I also explain more of how this plays out
in http://www.frankston.com/?name=InternetDynamic and other writings.
There’s also http://www.frankston.com/?name=Railroads in which I
distinguish the railroad/service model from the Internet which is more
akin to driving.

I realize that much of what I’m saying is counter-intuitive and that
it’s hard to convey decades of first-hand experience in watching these
dynamics play it.

I don’t want to go over each example but to use one – the Wi-Fi VoIP
phone. If you want to guarantee it works you need to duplicate much of
the high priced cellular network and you have to get people to pay for
that and they will if they are dependent upon it. That is akin to have
required voice work in 1985. Instead we found out what worked and
built upon it.

One day one ad-hoc wireless coverage will be far less than the current
cellular coverage but it will also have an incremental cost of close
to zero but you set in motion a dynamic that can deliver increasing
capacity at a marginal increase in cost of close to zero. And it’s all
about the dynamic and not the accidental properties of today’s
technologies and deployments.



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