Re: The Smart Grid and Cybersecurity

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Date: April 12, 2009 1:28:16 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:     The Smart Grid and Cybersecurity

We achieve privacy in the *real* world by techniques such as cultural  
norms that require averting one's gaze.

The extreme view that privacy can or should be achievable by  
cryptography is fostered by zealous crypto-fans.  It ain't true.  I  
can tell when someone is defecating in a house by observing the water  
inlet pipe.

David Farber wrote:
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> From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah () shipwright com>
> Date: April 12, 2009 10:18:19 AM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re:     The Smart Grid and Cybersecurity
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>
> On Apr 12, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > As an experiment, some researchers have been studying what  
> > information can be learned by ultra-sampling.  It turns out one can  
> > tell if someone drinks caffeinated vs. decaf!
>
> It's turtles all the way down, too. :-).
>
> Adi Shamir (the "S" in RSA, at the Weizmann Institute in Israel) and  
> Nicko van Someren (who with his brother Alex founded nCipher, the  
> SSL-accelerator-box-company, and just sold it to Thales(?), the  
> French(?) munitions maker) used to regularly show up at the  
> Financial Cryptography conferences in Anguilla with some new hack in  
> this regard.
>
> One time, they showed how you could literally read the bits as they  
> flew around *inside* a smart card. Another time, they could tell you  
> *exactly* were a given private key was on a given hard drive, also  
> just by schmoozing the bits therein, up-close-and-personal.
>
> Cats and dogs living together. It's all in the FCXX proceedings  
> somewhere, published by Springer Verlag.
>
> Cheers,
> RAH
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