Re Do Women Want to be Oppressed?

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>
Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Do Women Want to be Oppressed?
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
CC: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>, ip <ip () listbox com>


Dave,

For IP if you like.

I think where this article goes wrong is that it focuses on Women.  It
would be better if it was titled something like “Do People Want to be
Oppressed” and discussed the issue more broadly.

There are many examples where men want to put themselves in a relationship
where they will be dominated.  The best example I can think of at the
moment is why would anyone (man or women) want to work for Donald Trump.
> From all accounts he “dominates” everyone around him, women or men.  This
is well known, but he still manages to find people who want to associate
themselves with him.  In fact, most are men.  They apparently think they
will get something out of the relationship, for example money, power,
prestige, fulfilling an agenda, etc., but they do it at a great cost.

I think this is a human issue, not one limited to women.  Men exhibit all
of the behaviors outlined that the article attributes to women.

Bob









> On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
>
>  I know I’m going to get a lot of noise on this one djf
>
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> From: John Horgan <jhorgan () stevens edu>
> Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 11:41 AM
> Subject: Do Women Want to be Oppressed?
> To: Dave Farber <farber () gmail com>
> CC: John Horgan <jhorgan () stevens edu>
>
>
> Dave, I thought members of your list might find this column interesting.
John Horgan
> Do Women Want to be Oppressed?: Evolutionary theorists claim that female
desire for domineering males helped create a patriarchal world.
> In principle, evolutionary psychology, which seeks to understand our
behavior in light of the fact that we are products of natural selection,
can give us deep insights into ourselves. In practice, the field often
reinforces insidious prejudices. That was the theme of my recent column
“Darwin Was Sexist, and So Are Many Modern Scientists.”
> The column provoked such intense pushback that I decided to write this
follow-up post. Alt-right pundit Steve Sailer described my column as
“science denialism.” Psychologist Jordan Peterson deplored “the descent of
Scientific American.” Scientific American columnist Michael Shermer called
me the “PC police of the [Scientific American] web site.”
> Political scientist Charles Murray complained that Scientific American
“has been adamantly PC since before PC was a thing,” which as someone who
began writing for the magazine in 1986 I take as a compliment. Murray,
famed for contending in The Bell Curve that biology underpins racial
inequality, has proposed similar arguments to explain female inequality.
> Critics of my column see themselves as courageous defenders of scientific
truth, and yet they prefer “truth” that confirms their conviction that
biology underpins inequality. If you question these claims, you are a
“social justice warrior.” So what does that make them? Social injustice
warriors?...
> Now let’s take a closer look at a claim advanced by evolutionary
psychologist Geoffrey Miller, whom I cited in my previous column. In his
2000 book The Mating Mind, Miller argues that sexual selection can account
for differences between males and females. Darwin proposed sexual selection
to explain puzzles like the tail of the peacock, which from a practical
point of view seems to diminish fitness. Darwin hypothesized that females
have chosen to mate with, or selected, peacocks with large tails, thus
propagating this trait. Miller suggests that sexual selection can help
explain why males dominate women in many realms of culture...
> Continue reading at
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/do-women-want-to-be-oppressed/
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