Re New Trump Deportation Rules

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: "RJR-rjriley" <rjr () rjriley com>
> Date: February 22, 2017 at 6:24:27 PM EST
> To: "'Paul Alan Levy'" <plevy () citizen org>, <dave () farber net>
> Subject: RE: [IP] Re New Trump Deportation Rules
>
> I am disappointed that Mr. Levy, who I hold in high regard, would chose characterize my belief that limited 
> immigration slots be filled by people who have skills which will benefit America, as racism.  I don’t care about 
> race.  I think that way too many people are prone to falsely accuse people of racism, when we should be having a 
> civil discussion about policy.
>  
> We have a huge problem with illegal’s, which has come with staggering costs born by taxpayers.  I do not have any 
> problem with legal immigration when allowing entry is in America’s interests.
>  
> Europe has serious problems with refuges they allowed into their respective countries not assimilating.  It is 
> foolish to ignore these issues.
>  
> It is incredibly expensive to bring in people which in many cases will not be productive for a very long time, in 
> some case it will only happen in the next generation.
>  
> When we bring more people in the country which represent deficit spending, we are placing the burden to paying for 
> those immigrants on our children and maybe even on grandchildren, is this fair to them?
>  
> I agree that amending basic civil liberties is a risky business, but so is uncontrolled illegal immigration.  I have 
> friends and associates from all over the country, many who live states along the border are up in arms about the 
> impact of illegal immigration.
>  
> Ronald J Riley
>  
> From: Paul Alan Levy [mailto:plevy () citizen org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:44 PM
> To: rjr () rjriley com
> Subject: FW: [IP] Re New Trump Deportation Rules
>  
> Are you the same guy I represented a few years ago?
>  
> Paul Alan Levy
> Public Citizen Litigation Group
> 1600 20th Street, NW
> Washington, D.C. 20009
> (202) 588-7725
> http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=396
> Twitter:  @paulalanlevy
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> From: Paul Alan Levy 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:38 PM
> To: 'dave () farber net'; ip
> Subject: RE: [IP] Re New Trump Deportation Rules
>  
> “we need to change birthright citizenship”
>  
> My former client Ron Riley wants to amend the Fourteenth Amendment?   That part of our constitution provides (Section 
> 1, first sentence) “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are 
> citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
>  
> Wholly apart from the fact that the plain meaning of this sentence is that the children of immigrants, if born in the 
> United States, are citizens, if the Fourteenth Amendment did NOT mean that birth within the US meant citizenship 
> regardless of whether the child’s parents were citizens, it would not have succeeded in ensuring that the freed 
> slaves, born in the United States, would be considered citizens.
>  
> Ron’s apparent racism aside (it’s the white immigrants who are desirable), I am not persuaded that starting to amend 
> the basic civil rights amendments adopted after the Civil War is a good idea
>  
> Paul Alan Levy
> Public Citizen Litigation Group
> 1600 20th Street, NW
> Washington, D.C. 20009
> (202) 588-7725
> http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=396
> Twitter:  @paulalanlevy
> Public Citizen Foundation participates in the Combined Federal Campaign with the CFC Code 11168
>  
> From: Dave Farber [mailto:farber () gmail com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:53 PM
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] Re New Trump Deportation Rules
>  
> As I said I present all sides
>
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "RJR-rjriley" <rjr () rjriley com>
> Date: February 22, 2017 at 4:49:30 PM EST
> To: <dave () farber net>
> Subject: RE: [IP] New Trump Deportation Rules
>
> There is no reason that we cannot speed up legit immigration, from more desirable sources.  Also, we can issue work 
> permits without an easy path to citizenship.  We also need to change birthright citizenship to one requiring one 
> parent to be a citizen or to be naturalized before their child turns 18, and then confer citizenship to the child.
>  
> For example, there are lots of people in Europe, well educated, with desirable skills who would love to flee the 
> problems created by Muslims who refuse to assimilate.
>  
> There is no innate right to be Allowed into America.
>  
> Ronald J Riley
>  
> From: Dave Farber [mailto:farber () gmail com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:31 PM
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] New Trump Deportation Rules
>  
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "Evers Ridgely C." <rce () evers org>
> Date: February 22, 2017 at 1:17:57 PM EST
> To: Farber David <dave () farber net>
> Subject: New Trump Deportation Rules
>
> Dave,
>  
> For IP if you wish.
>  
> New Trump Deportation Rules Allow Far More Expulsions
>  
> This is remarkably (terrifyingly?) sweeping in its construct.  From the actual order (italics mine):
>  
> Department personnel should prioritize removable aliens who:
> (1) have been convicted of any criminal offense; 
> (2) have been charged with any criminal offense that has not been resolved;
> (3) have committed acts which constitute a chargeable criminal offense;
> (4) have engaged in fraud or willful misrepresentation in connection with any official matter before a governmental 
> agency;
> (5) have abused any program related to receipt of public benefits;
> (6) are subject to a final order of removal but have not complied with their legal obligation to depart the United 
> States; or
> (7) in the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security.
> The Director of ICE, the Commissioner of CBP, and the Director of USCIS may, as they determine is appropriate, issue 
> further guidance to allocate appropriate resources to prioritize enforcement activities within these categories - for 
> example, by prioritizing enforcement activities against removable aliens who are convicted felons or who are involved 
> in gang activity or drug trafficking.
> Note that being in the US without permission is a "chargeable criminal offense" (condition #3)  Basically, therefore, 
> this tasks ICE with kicking out pretty much everyone who is undocumented, with the exception of DREAMers.
>  
> I live in an agricultural area, where the vast majority of workers are immigrants, mostly undocumented.  Many have 
> children born in the US, who have US citizenship but not Mexican citizenship (for example), so the children cannot 
> just "go to Mexico."
>  
> The families are terrified that they will be separated – and not without evidence to support that fear.  We know 
> people who, in the past two weeks, have had a parent targeted, arrested, and deported without hearing.
>  
> –Ridge
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