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Re US Homeland Security Will Start Collecting Social Media Info on All Immigrants October 18th
From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:59:29 -0400
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From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> Date: September 27, 2017 at 12:30:07 PM EDT To: Joel M Snyder <Joel.Snyder () opus1 com>, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> Subject: Re: [IP] Re US Homeland Security Will Start Collecting Social Media Info on All Immigrants October 18th Joel: I am reading some tension in your reply. Hopefully that is just my misinterpretation. Email is not the best communication medium sometimes. It just feels a bit weird to hear you talk about Gizmodo being “ridiculously over-the-top”, then you sending something, well, let’s just say, something that could be read as over the top as well. Back on topic, I re-read my email and I can’t find anything in it where I said this wasn’t ALLOWED. I just used sarcasm to imply the new order would inhibit some people coming here. If you think otherwise, might I refer you to a “fantasy-land of ignorance” you previously mentioned? Second, it is true I merely skimmed the notice. However, the notice very clearly states: CATEGORIES OF INDIVIDUALS COVERED BY THE SYSTEM: Lawful permanent residents; Naturalized U.S. citizens; This could just mean they are using the new system to keep the extant records of the person before they were naturalized. Going back to the notice, it is not clearly to me that is the correct interpretation. Before the section on individuals covered by the system, the notice states: <quote> The purpose of the A-File is to document and maintain the official record of an individual's immigration applications, petitions, and requests, as well as enforcement transactions as he or she passes through the U.S. immigration process. </quote> At no time does it carve out an exception for naturalized citizens. The word “naturalized” appears exactly once in the entire notice, and that is to list them as someone affected by this notice. Sooooooo, my original questions still stands: I thought once she had a passport, she was the same as the rest of us (other than not being able to be president)? How would the courts look at DHS treating one citizen differently than another? Would someone who knows more than I care to answer? Hopefully in a less “over the top” fashion than .. uh .. Gizmodo? -- TTFN, patrickOn Sep 27, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Joel M Snyder <Joel.Snyder () opus1 com> wrote: The proposed change is not related to the visa issuance process; this is targeted towards immigrants. The Gizmodo article is ridiculously over-the-top in its interpretation of the change that is being proposed and the potential issues. Anyone who doesn't think that it is fair game for the USG to ask for your social media handles and email addresses and a ton of other very, very personal information before allowing immigration is living in a fantasy-land of ignorance. Social media handles (not passwords mind you, just handles) are one of the least intrusive things that happen to someone when they ask to immigrate to the United States. I realize that everyone is on a hair trigger about immigration, tourism, and refugees right now, but taking a notice that there's now a place in the database schema for social media handles in your immigration file and blowing it up into this nonsense is not helping the discussion any. Regarding Gilmore's comment: he should have read the notice, not the article. jmsOn 9/27/17 5:03 PM, Dave Farber wrote: Begin forwarded message:*From:* "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net <mailto:patrick () ianai net>> *Date:* September 27, 2017 at 11:02:10 AM EDT *To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>> *Cc:* "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net <mailto:patrick () ianai net>> *Subject:* *Re: [IP] US Homeland Security Will Start Collecting Social Media Info on All Immigrants October 18th* That won’t hurt tourism or people wanting to spend money in this country at all. </sarcasm> The part that scares me the most is: “... even naturalized citizens ... “ My wife is a naturalized citizen. I thought once she had a passport, she was the same as the rest of us (other than not being able to be president)? How would the courts look at DHS treating one citizen differently than another? -- TTFN, patrickOn Sep 27, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com <mailto:farber () gmail com>> wrote: https://gizmodo.com/us-homeland-security-will-start-collecting-social-media-1818777094Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/125482-748a3389> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&> Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now <https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?&&post_id=20170927110356:13665F6E-A395-11E7-A859-E4F859980399> [Powered by Listbox] <http://www.listbox.com>-- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 jms () Opus1 COM http://www.opus1.com/jms
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