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Re: Westnet and Utah outage
From: Avi Freedman <freedman () netaxs com>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:27:00 -0500 (EST)
These kind of performances are ways too regular for me these days. And as a "user" I have very little means to find out what the hell is wrong with this network. I am sometimes so sick and tired of this that I am tempted to use the tools I have (ping and traceroute) and broadly post to people as to where things seem broken. And I will not care at all if you guys tell me "well, that's unfair, as ping and traceroute go to the main processor." Give me a working network, better tools, or SHUT THE HELL UP AND GO BACK TO FARMING. I will be glad to shut up myself, once you get your act together and provide smooth and transparent network services.
Well, it's not terribly useful to complain to nanog about specific & temporary problems. Unfortunately, it's often really only the Network Operation Centers (NOCs) of the various providers who are equipped with the knowledge of the topology of the various networks who can properly diagnose network problems. [So it's not a problem to use ping & traceroute - acknowledging that they may not be useful when seeing round trip times from (Cisco) routers. The problem is that you should pick a productive forum such as your provider's NOC to complain to.] For example, it's easy to say "My provider sucked this morning - my traceroute stopped in DC and there were huge packet losses". But what you don't see is that the AC power was *off* @ MAE-East this morning from 4am or so until 9:30am or so. And mailing to NANOG is not the right way to find out these things. Avi
Current thread:
- Westnet and Utah outage Gordon Cook (Nov 22)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Scott Huddle (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Gordon Cook (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Hans-Werner Braun (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Curtis Villamizar (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Avi Freedman (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage joliveto (Nov 23)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Hans-Werner Braun (Nov 23)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Curtis Villamizar (Nov 27)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Jim Forster (Nov 30)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Gordon Cook (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage joliveto (Nov 28)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Edward Henigin (Nov 29)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Jeff Hayward (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Hans-Werner Braun (Nov 22)
- Re: Westnet and Utah outage Curtis Villamizar (Nov 22)