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Re: BGP announcements and small providers
From: Lyndon Levesley <lol () xara net>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:34:48 +0000
There's always the nice 'n' easy system of using 10/8 and NAT as a provider, making renumbering about 5 minutes work. Even taken to the extreme, it wouldn't take long to change your BGP announcements / have your provider change their BGP announcements / whatever. Nameservers are a bit harder to renumber, but that's not too bad. Wonder how long it'll be before ISPs rather than corporates start to use NAT for most of their network. Karl Denninger wrote : |-> |-> You're right. |-> |-> And as soon as the mainstream hardware we all sell to people, and that has |-> significant market penetration in the installed base, makes this reasonable |-> to do for a *large* operation, this will be reasonable. |-> |-> However, as the state of IPV4 and its hardware sits right now, it is NOT |-> reasonable to do *other than on the boundaries of a customer's individual |-> decision*. |-> |-> That is, if a PROVIDER changes upstream links, it is unreasonable to expect |-> their *customers* to renumber. To force that paradigm is to attempt to |-> tie an ISP to a given provider. The requirement to renumber comes out of th |-> e |-> blue, it is an unanticipated cost, and one which is neither under the |-> control of nor a result of the actions of the customer. |-> |-> Better go talk to some attorneys before you do things that lead to this |-> result. |-> |-> If a *customer* changes providers, they bear the costs of their actions. |-> If the operative cause of their renumbering is their decision to leave one |-> ISP and go to another, *they* are directly responsible for their own pain. |-> |-> THAT is much more likely to pass muster. |-> |-> -- |-> -- |-> Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity |-> http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service |-> | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, Web servers $75/mo |-> Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| Email to "info () mcs net" WWW: http://www.mcs. |-> net/ |-> Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Inte |-> rnal |-> I've had a wonderful time... ...but this wasn't it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Current thread:
- Re: optimal web service (Re: BGP announcements and small providers ), (continued)
- Re: optimal web service (Re: BGP announcements and small providers ) Paul A Vixie (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Alex.Bligh (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Michael Dillon (Feb 25)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Tim Pozar (Feb 25)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Chris Phillips (Feb 25)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Stan Barber (Feb 25)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Paul Ferguson (Feb 25)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Sean Rolinson (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Michael Dillon (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Lyndon Levesley (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Bradley Dunn (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Douglas Warren (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Adrian Bool (Feb 28)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Philip J. Nesser II (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Karl Denninger (Feb 26)