Re: Shutdown of lists on May 30th at 12:01 AM

[Karl Denninger <karl () mcs net>]

On Thu, May 29, 1997 at 10:44:28AM -0400, Philip J. Nesser II wrote:
> Vince Wolodkin supposedly said:
> > Paul A Vixie wrote:
> > > > P.S. Keep in mind that a Root Name Server Confederation is
> > > > a collection of Root Name Servers. The new ISI/NSI confederation
> > > > that is being built just moved one of its nameservers to the
> > > > control of RIPE and it is located in London, England.
> > >
> > > fiction.
> > >
> > > there are some root name servers.
> > >
> > > then there are some pirates who are trying to coin the "confederation" term.
> >
> > Mr Vixie,
> >
> > I realize your exasperation with certain elements that have arisen in
> > this "new age" of the internet.  Many of them ARE in it for the money. 
> > Of course, you realize, that this was bound to happen.  Any successful
> > non-profit venture will ultimately have people trying to make money off
> > of it.  It's not illegal, though piracy is.
> >
> > While you disagree with the "confederation" ideas that Mr. Fleming
> > espouses, calling he and others pirates is rather ridiculous.  If you
> > were involved in an IETF proceeding and someone presented an alternate
> > idea, would you call them pirates?  
>
> Paul can certainly speak for himself, but I think the issue that most
> people (myself included) have is that these people refuse to work within
> the IETF process.  If they want to change things and follow the procedure
> that everyone else has used for years then great, let them try and convince
> people of the validity of their ideas.
>
> If, on the other hand, they refuse to work within the well established
> system and go off into a corner and make grand declarations and try and
> fracture the "rough consensus" model that has kept the net operating for
> years, then they are indeed pirates.  I would like to point out that going
> through the IETF process does not mean your ideas will be accepted.  More
> ideas and plans are rejected than are accepted.  

The IAHC was not done within the IETF process.  There is no RFC which was
promoted to either a BCP or Internet Standard defining their work.

That was ENTIRELY a private decision and done outside of the IETF process.

Those who live in glass houses....

> --->  Phil

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