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Re: Digex transparent proxying
From: "Sean M. Doran" <smd () clock org>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:05:30 -0700
So Karl, you don't like the fact that your customers are maximising distribution of their visual advertising while minimizing their costs (by not paying you for some audience reached through caches), I guess. Brand management people generally only care that a vast number of people associate their brand with some appropriate set of feelings, and that this in turn leads to sales. The cost effectiveness of this approach does not have to be measured directly (by thorough counting or extrapolating from a sample) when other means of testing the effectiveness of a PR/marketing campaign are available. Your analyses of cache effectiveness is also flawed because it is looking at merely the question of ratio of cache hits to misses, and supposing that misses are inherently inefficient. An intercepting proxy which runs a modern TCP stack and which avoids the "herds of mice" problem by aggregating multiple parallel connections into single ones, and which is well-located to avoid frequent fifo tail-drop at the last hop, has a benefit to the ISP that outweighs the cache hit:miss ratio. That is, a cache which imposes decent long-haul TCP behaviour reduces the number of packets which are delivered all the way from the web server to the terminal server but tail-dropped there rather than being delivered to the end user. Where content's effectiveness can be measured by means other than direct counting of "views", _or_ where an intercepting cache reduces the number of retransmissions, or both, this sort of caching is *great* for your customers, because it means they can pay you less, because you ship fewer bits. So I can see why you are so pissed off. Sean. | Oh, I forgot - being stupid and twisting people's words is now considered | a protected class in the United States. - -- Sean Doran Copenhagen, Denmark
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- Re: Digex transparent proxying Rich Sena (Jun 27)
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- Re: Digex transparent proxying Roeland M.J. Meyer (Jun 28)
- Re: Digex transparent proxying Rich Sena (Jun 28)
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- Re: Digex transparent proxying Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 29)
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