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Re: Digex transparent proxying
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () priori net>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:30:15 -0700
At 10:28 AM 6/27/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
Proxies are fine WHERE CUSTOMERS HAVE AGREED TO THEIR USE. STEALING someone's packet flow to force it through a proxy is NOT fine.
I think this is the heart of Karl's argument. (Karl, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) The rest of the rant about how transparent caches, proxy server, etc. work and other opinions about how the Internet and web content will look in the future is ... not my concern at present. But the original topic is of great concern to me. Is there one person on this list - even someone from DIGEX - who can give me one reason why altering the destination of a packet a customer paid you to deliver, without that customer's consent or foreknowledge, is in any way morally or ethically permissible? Hell, for that matter, is it even legal? I know that when my downstreams pay me for transit and give me a packet, I do my damnedest to get that packet TO THE DESTINATION. If I can give my customers better service though proxy or caching or any other method, I will definitely OFFER it to them. (We are currently looking into transparent and other caching techniques, but have not begun such an offering as of yet.) However, I will not shirk my responsibility to deliver packets where the customer (rightfully) expects them to go without the customer's permission. I find it repugnant that one of my peers has done so. I would be interested in how other's feel about it - without all the discussion about whether caching is any use or not.
Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin
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- Re: Digex transparent proxying Andrew J. Doane (Jun 29)
- Re: Digex transparent proxying Sean M. Doran (Jun 27)
- Re: Digex transparent proxying Karl Denninger (Jun 27)
- Re: Digex transparent proxying Rich Sena (Jun 27)
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