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Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited
From: Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:59:08 -0500
At 01:19 PM 11/16/1998 -0800, Paul A Vixie wrote:
I would suggest that they would not be RBLed as 1] this is a list that can be easily (I assume) opted out of.no. there is no way to opt out of it.
Not so. You can use another registry. .COM, .NET, and .ORG may be the most popular, but they are not the only ones. When you refuse to do business with NSI, they don't send you email. They don't get lists and send email to random people. If you don't agree to let NSI send you email, they won't do business with you. Everyone agreed to those terms. Can't come back and change them later, because you don't like it. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with most of the mail I've gotten from them. Some of it a bit technically insulting, but that doesn't make it totally unreasonable from an email ethics point of view. It certainly doesn't qualify as spam, since it is in fact solicited. You paid $100+ for the privilege. Technically, they aren't broadcasting either. They are sending email to their customers. Not potential future customers. Existing customers. They didn't buy this list from somewhere. They asked for, and required customers to give this information, and to give them permission to send email. You seem to be in a conflict with your own rules, since you have said that you don't RBL companies that are using their own internal lists. As I thought, you aren't operating from some kind of moral or ethical principal, you are just bullying others. I just don't like that, whether you happen to be right or not.
2] They are sending to folks that use the service.yes. which is: everybody who has a domain in COM, NET, or ORG.
Ahh, it has finally come to a confrontation with someone who quite possibly speaks more authoritatively for everyone in those domains than you do. This will be interesting, to say the least. I wonder if RBLing NetSol is cause for them to put vix.com on hold. That would be a hoot. I suppose they actually could call you in breach of contract for refusing to receive email, refund your money, and cancel your domains. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean () av8 com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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- RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited, (continued)
- RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Chris Mauritz (Nov 16)
- RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Chris Woodfield (Nov 16)
- RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Mike Reno (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rodney Joffe (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Steven J. Sobol (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Mike Reno (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Steven J. Sobol (Nov 16)
- RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dean Robb (Nov 16)
- RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Chris Mauritz (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited John Fraizer (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dean Anderson (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dean Anderson (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Steven J. Sobol (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Phil Howard (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Jared Mauch (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rich Sena (Nov 21)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Mike Reno (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rodney Joffe (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited John M. Brown (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rodney Joffe (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Mike Reno (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dean Anderson (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dorn Hetzel (Nov 19)