nanog mailing list archives

RE: multi-homing fixes


From: "Dmitri Krioukov" <dima () krioukov net>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:34:18 -0400


Bill,

Your comments regarding the hierarchical routing
may be valid, I believe, -- especially taking into
consideration that the whole subject of this
thread is just one of the drivers inevitably
flattening the Internet topology :)

But look what's going on in MANET, for example
(LANMAR being particularly amazing). This at least
suggests that some scenarios may exist where you
have neither strictly hierarchical routing nor '2-32nd
entries in the "DFZ"'.
--
dima.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
bmanning () vacation karoshi com
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:22 PM
To: David R. Conrad
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: multi-homing fixes



The tragedy of the commons exist because there is a limited resource,
incentive to do the wrong thing, and disincentives to do the right
thing.  Until there are disincentives to do the wrong thing,
e.g., filter
routes, apply a charge to routes in the DFZ to encourage
aggregation, etc.,
incentives to do the right thing, and/or the limitations in the DFZ are
removed, you _will_ get a tragedy of the commons.

Rgds,
-drc
Speaking only for myself


The limited resource is the fixed upper bound on numbers. There
are concerns
w/ the current technological limitations on mgmt of the route
table and the
weaknesses in the current routing assumptions.  As friend Bush
has indicated,
the IRTF and in the IETF, much thought is being given to how to
migrate from
BGP to something new. Perhaps heirarchical routing itself is flawed and we
need something new. This problem is not new.

As a data point, I would ask that those whom are allowed to participate in
the design discussions and are willing to be active in them, to take this
request into those discussions.  I would like to see the ability to have
the routing system support 2-32nd entries in the "DFZ" (whatever
that is... :)

--bill


Current thread: