Re: [asr () latency net: Re: Social responsibility (censorship?) on NANOG?]

["Jamie --gavroche" <jrishaw () hotmail com>]

> From: Adam Rothschild <asr () latency net>
> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:38:48PM -0500, John Fraizer wrote:
> > Is the list being moderated or filtered in some way?
>
> Apparently.  That, or it's somehow silently discarding random messages
> of an operational nature, either of which is a bad thing(tm).

 No, I dont think that is the case.

 I am posting now from my hotmail account because I've somehow been black 
holed from posting.  It's very clear to me that this is not a mailer problem 
...

 A couple weeks ago, I found myself unsub'd from both nanog@ and the 
nanog-post list.  Now, I could see being unsub'd accidentally from nanog@ if 
something weird happened and bounces came back, but no list mechanism would 
unsub someone from nanog-post@, since it doesn't generate outgoing messages.

 I was removed without notice or warning, and e-mail to susan harris went 
unanswered.

 It was fairly rude, considering I've been around nanog since, what, 95?  
I'd think I'd deserve a little more respect than that.

 At least three times since then I've been unsub'd from nanog-post, *but 
not nanog*, again, without warn or notice.

 Today, I found out that while I was still on nanog-post@, any post that I 
make from my primary account gets blackholed.  I know the list is working, 
and I know mail is being delivered to the merit mail servers:

04/02/2001 20:03:00 sendmail[22307]: f1512eV22305: to=nanog () merit edu, 
ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:20, xdelay=00:00:18, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=60967, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: 
queued as 421A35DDC2)
07/02/2001 15:03:13 sendmail[54414]: f17K2pK54412: to=nanog () merit edu, 
ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:22, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=61366, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: 
queued as E55775DE63)
07/02/2001 17:53:43 sendmail[54937]: f17MrfM54935: to=nanog () merit edu, 
ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=61085, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: 
queued as 710C85DD96)
07/02/2001 17:55:02 sendmail[54951]: f17MsVP54949: to=nanog () merit edu, 
ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:31, xdelay=00:00:04, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=120967, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: 
queued as E92CB5DDCC)



 So, who is deciding who gets to be on the list and who doesn't?  Since 
this is obviously a MERIT-sponsored forum, what is MERIT's policy on 
supporting selective censorship in its mail lists?

 Considering the level of OT posts lately on the list, and the list 
maintainer's silent policies, where can one go for less S:N, better 
administration, etc. ?

jamie

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