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Re: GRC rides again...
From: Chris Rapier <rapier () psc edu>
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:45:39 -0400
David Howe wrote:
... With yet another "update" to the DDos pages. http://grc.com/dos/intro.htm and I quote:* ISP's are responsible for preventing the transportation ofobviously-fraudulentand easily blocked Internet traffic. Because the responsibility for a safe and secure Internet is just asdistributed as theInternet's technology, we must work together to bring about the requiredchanges.Unfortunately, today we see only the operation of blind self-interest from Microsoft and the Internet's ISP'sAs I seem to recall several members of this list offered him help (and were rebuffed) perhaps they would like to comment? He seems increasingly lost in a fantasy world where everyone is out to get him....
My feeling is that he's missing some clues regarding the necessary realities of the situation. Its not so much a matter of laziness, avarice, or incompetence as much as it is a matter of the internet working the way it is supposed to. There is no way an ISP could block all, or even most, of the fraudulent traffic that is traversing their networks without resorting to draconian tactics that would, possibly, drive them out of business. There are certain steps they can take (source address filtering) which they should be doing anyway but this network has been designed to be a leaky seive. I'm also sure that XP might increase the number of spoofed packets running through the network. If that spurs more ISPs to use source address filtering them thats a good thing. Even if they don't it is possible to track down where a spoofed IP is coming from - its more of a social engineering issue than a technical one.
Current thread:
- GRC rides again... David Howe (Jul 02)
- Re: GRC rides again... Chris Rapier (Jul 02)
- Re: GRC rides again... Tim Wilde (Jul 02)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: GRC rides again... Roeland Meyer (Jul 02)
- Re: GRC rides again... Roland Dobbins (Jul 02)
- RE: GRC rides again... Mike Batchelor (Jul 02)
- Re: GRC rides again... Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 02)
- Re: GRC rides again... Scott Francis (Jul 02)
- RE: GRC rides again... Roeland Meyer (Jul 02)
- RE: GRC rides again... Dave Israel (Jul 02)
- Re: GRC rides again... David Howe (Jul 02)
- RE: GRC rides again... Roeland Meyer (Jul 02)