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Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!?
From: "Joseph T. Klein" <jtk () titania net>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:51:03 -0500
I contend that if quantifiable evidence exists that setting the peering bar high in the name of selling transit and/or restricting new players leads to a downward spiral in network quality ... then evidence exists that can be taken to stockholders and BOD of those companies. Companies, unless they are run by less than competent management, will not knowingly commit economic suicide. Stockholders tend to have a very low tolerance for management stupidity. Stockholder tolerance now is a lot lower then five years ago. At 6:45 PM +0200 07-05-2001, Peter van Dijk wrote:
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 09:37:10AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote:albert () waller net (Albert Meyer) writes: > Didn't UUNet try this back in 96? A quick search of Boardwatch failed to> find the article, but ISTR that John Sidgemore eventually slunk back to the> playground and agreed to play nice. If UUNet couldn't pull it off back > then, I doubt that CW can now. ...I am completely fascinated by your assessment (that UUNet didn't pull it off).It is rare, but I agree with Paul here :) Unet is, for example, one of the few (if not the only) ISP in The Netherlands that charges for *peering* (no, not transit, just peering). More and more clued people I know are avoiding UUnet because they don't peer with the small but quickly growing ISPs. Most UUnet customers are getting worse and worse connectivity as other ISPs stop peering with UUnet, because UUnet is becoming less and less important. A nice downward spiral. Greetz, Peter.
-- Joseph T. Klein +1 414 915 7489 Senior Network Engineer jtk () titania net Adelphia Business Solutions joseph.klein () adelphiacom com "... the true value of the Internet is its connectedness ..." -- John W. Stewart III
Current thread:
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? David Schwartz (May 05)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? John Payne (May 05)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Richard A. Steenbergen (May 05)
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Daniel Golding (May 05)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Tony Mumm (May 06)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Joseph T. Klein (May 06)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Albert Meyer (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Paul Vixie (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Peter van Dijk (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Joseph T. Klein (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Simon Lyall (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Peter van Dijk (May 07)
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? David Schwartz (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? hardie (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Jeff Mcadams (May 07)
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? David Schwartz (May 07)
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Stephen J. Wilcox (May 08)
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Daniel Golding (May 05)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Stephen Stuart (May 07)
- RE: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Mike Leber (May 07)
- Re: Cable & Wireless "de-peering"?!? Paul Vixie (May 07)