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RE: Stealth Blocking
From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:15:02 -0700
From: David Schwartz [mailto:davids () webmaster com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:54 PMIn the PURE war, one ONLY shoots confirmed bad-guys and has ZERO collateral damage.So if someone has a machine gun and is firing randomly, you don't act to stop him until he happens to hit someone?
Lottsa mitigating circumstances here; .Are they shooting spam? .Are they trying to hit anyone? One spammer is no justification for nuking their entire city. Targeted response, sir ... targeted response. That's what MAPS is, a laser beam, not a hand granade.
That's madness. [I] don't advocate random scanning, as it is unethical to probe random people for vulnerability. However, once you know there is in fact an open relay, you are entirely justified in blocking it.
Agreed, but its open-relay status is irrelevent. The fact that one has proof-positive of spam, from that site, is.
And if you have legitimate reason to suspect a site is an open relay, you are entirely justified in probing it to see whether or not it is.
No you are not, by your own ethical standards. Suspicion is not proof. Only a piece of spam, in hand, from that specific site, is sufficient grounds.
If your neighbor is aiming a gun at you, you are justified in checking to see if it's loaded.
No you are not, you assume that it is and fire first <grin>. But, you are not justified in taking out his whole block, including the other neighbors. You are not allowed ANY collateral damage. Anything less is sloppy anyway. What's the matter, ain't you that good? Can't you aim?
Current thread:
- ORBS (Re: Scanning), (continued)
- ORBS (Re: Scanning) E.B. Dreger (May 27)
- Re: ORBS (Re: Scanning) Randy Bush (May 27)
- Re: ORBS (Re: Scanning) J.D. Falk (May 27)
- Re: Scanning (was Re: Stealth Blocking) Steve Sobol (May 27)
- Re: Scanning (was Re: Stealth Blocking) Christopher A. Woodfield (May 27)
- Re: ORBS (Re: Scanning) Albert Meyer (May 27)
- RE: Stealth Blocking jlewis (May 24)
- RE: Stealth Blocking alex (May 24)
- network policy (was Re: Stealth Blocking) Paul Vixie (May 25)
- Re: network policy (was Re: Stealth Blocking) Paul Vixie (May 26)
- RE: Stealth Blocking David Schwartz (May 23)
- RE: Stealth Blocking David Schwartz (May 23)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Shawn McMahon (May 24)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Christopher B. Zydel (May 23)
- RE: Stealth Blocking David Schwartz (May 23)