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Re: EMAIL != FTP
From: Mitch Halmu <mitch () netside net>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 25 May 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:From: Steve Sobol [mailto:sjsobol () NorthShoreTechnologies net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:51 PM Shawn McMahon wrote:TCP rate-limiting on outbound traffic to *:25 would alsobe extremelyeffective, particularly on unclassified customer traffic,and without theheavy-handed nature of denying all dial-up traffic.Rate-limiting doesn'tinterfere with low-volume legitimate mail, but it reallycramps spam.It interferes heavily with transmission of large files viaemail, though,and this *IS* a valid use of service.The transmission of large files is not a valid use of email.Is too... I send large documents regularly, via email. I just sent a 125 page word doc, with about 20 embedded Visio drawings and a bunch of embedded Excel spreadsheets. It was huge. Most of the recipients are on dialups with Win98. How else do you expect me to get it to them ... FTP? Most of them are NOT computer jocks.How about this Roeland: You send them an email that says: " Because email is NOT intended to be a file transfer protocol and beyond that fact that I know you're on a low-bandwidth dialup account, please find below a link to the document I said I would send to you. On a 56K dialup connection, this will most likely take about 10 minutes for you to download. There are two links. One will retrieve the document via FTP and one will retrieve the document via HTTP. The HTTP link will most likely provide a faster download under most circumstances. I provided both to afford you the opportunity to choose when and how you retrieve the document. http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer/Document-I-Promised.zip ftp://ftp.mhsc.com/pub/users/rmeyer/Document-I-Promised.zip " Very simple concept. It not only uses the right tool for the job but, also affords them the opportunity to retrieve the document when it is CONVENIENT for them. If I were a dialup user and somone sent me some HUGE attachment like that, I would consider it very rude. Note to all salesdroids: If you want to be sure that I will NEVER do business with you, send me an email attachment. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
If you were a dial-up user, chances are you wouldn't be able to do that. A few simple reasons come to mind: first, you wouldn't have any or not enough disk space on your system account (limited by quota) to store the file. Second, an average user probably wouldn't have the skill. Third, a .zip file will usually display as funny characters on a web browser - that's why ftp is needed. Fourth, you probably wouldn't have shell access and ftp space from your provider with a regular account. Fifth, assuming you would have all the toys, you would have to spend yourself the time to first upload the file, so that another may retrieve it. Sixth, if your file was a sensitive document, others would have public access to it, etc. So what's a regular user to do? Email it! Hence the legitimate use of email for transmission of large files. Most ISPs know that if they start limiting this privilege, users will migrate to someone that allows it. --Mitch NetSide
Current thread:
- RE: Stealth Blocking, (continued)
- RE: Stealth Blocking Roeland Meyer (May 24)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Shawn McMahon (May 25)
- Re: Stealth Blocking J.D. Falk (May 26)
- Re: Stealth Blocking mike harrison (May 26)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Shawn McMahon (May 25)
- RE: Stealth Blocking Roeland Meyer (May 24)
- RE: Stealth Blocking Roeland Meyer (May 24)
- RE: Stealth Blocking jlewis (May 25)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Shawn McMahon (May 25)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Dan Hollis (May 25)
- RE: Stealth Blocking jlewis (May 25)
- Re: Stealth Blocking Adam Rothschild (May 25)
- EMAIL != FTP John Fraizer (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP Mitch Halmu (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP Jim Mercer (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP Shawn McMahon (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP John Fraizer (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP Jim Mercer (May 25)
- EMAIl ==> MAIL ==> parsels + letters Alexei Roudnev (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP M. David Leonard (May 25)
- RE: EMAIL != FTP Robert Blayzor (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP Valdis . Kletnieks (May 25)
- RE: EMAIL != FTP Robert Blayzor (May 25)
- Re: EMAIL != FTP Wayne Bouchard (May 25)