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Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...)
From: Andy Dills <andy () xecu net>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Leo Bicknell esoterically agitated:
It does have some interesting implication as to who can modify data as well. If a device in the middle has license to modify data in the middle of a data stream, what are the limits of that license? If my service provider uses NAT without my consent can I sue them for reading/changing my data? If not, why would I be able to sue them if they do the same thing to e-mail? What is the difference?
You can sue whoever you want, for whatever you want, whenever you want. Can you show damages in the situation of email? Yes. With packets? No. And before you come back at me with some crazy convoluted contrived scenario, let's just realize how far off the beaten path we are at this point. If your ISP is going to force you to use NAT, "against your will", get a new fricking provider. For that matter, what ISP NATs you against your will? What, do you wake up the next morning with a sore router, feeling ashamed and hurt, telling yourself you should have known better, and wondering where you should go first: the hospital or the police? Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
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- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...), (continued)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Jon Mansey (Sep 07)
- Re[3]: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Richard Welty (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Mike Batchelor (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Joel Baker (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Andy Dills (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) steve uurtamo (Sep 07)
- RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Tony Hain (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Andy Dills (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Adam McKenna (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) bmanning (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) steve uurtamo (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Mike Batchelor (Sep 07)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Adam McKenna (Sep 07)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Circusnuts (Sep 09)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Alex Bligh (Sep 09)