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Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...)
From: bmanning () vacation karoshi com
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:56:17 +0000 (UCT)
Can you show damages in the situation of email? Yes. With packets? No. And before you come back at me with some crazy convoluted contrived scenario, let's just realize how far off the beaten path we are at this point. If your ISP is going to force you to use NAT, "against your will", get a new fricking provider. For that matter, what ISP NATs you against your will?
Not quite so friend Andy. Someone in UAE claims that I sent porn to them. And investigation shows that not only is there a NAT one hop away from the purported victim, there is -another- NAT in the path, injected by some intermediate ISP as well as the one injected by my provider. Now I can chage my provider to one w/o NAT. I can even get the PV to change their provider (well maybe, given they are in UAE) But how can we avoid the intermediate ISP that is in the transit path? And can I persuade the judge that since NATs are known to muck about w/ addresses & such that I can construct a case that what was received did not come from me. So the porn came from one of the NAT operators.
Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
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- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...), (continued)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Mike Batchelor (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Joel Baker (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Andy Dills (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) steve uurtamo (Sep 07)
- RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Tony Hain (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Andy Dills (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Adam McKenna (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) bmanning (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) steve uurtamo (Sep 07)
- Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Leo Bicknell (Sep 07)
- RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) Mike Batchelor (Sep 07)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Adam McKenna (Sep 07)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Circusnuts (Sep 09)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Alex Bligh (Sep 09)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Jared Mauch (Sep 09)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Bob K (Sep 09)