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RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...
From: Brian Whalen <bri () sonicboom org>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
Many streaming/multimedia apps try port 80 http if their typical range is not open.. Brian "Sonic" Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Mike Batchelor wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1Eric Hall <ehall () ehsco com> has expressed the position succinctly:The fact is that I can write an Internet-compliant application in about two minutes that will break every NAT ever sold, simply because they don't have a proxy for the protocol. NATs violate fundamental Internet principles.Many stupid things can be done in about two minutes. This particular fundamentalist tenet has been at odds with reality since the first firewall was installed, and will only become more so. Jim ShanklandOh yes, the firewall. That convenient device that network software developers can assume will always pass port 80 and 443 traffic. So everything uses port 80 and 443 in the future Internet, and we're all the better for it. Uh-huh. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO5kHyEksS4VV8BvHEQJI6wCgm6JoiS11I5g4NkrxnDaZU4nlTAkAoMMu ll66gu/3u8oaOx+0RGc7bvF+ =+9g3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ..., (continued)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Bob K (Sep 06)
- Re[2]: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Richard Welty (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Bob K (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Charles Sprickman (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Eric A. Hall (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Roeland Meyer (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Tony Hain (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... David Howe (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Jim Shankland (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Eric A. Hall (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Mike Batchelor (Sep 07)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Brian Whalen (Sep 09)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Christian Kuhtz (Sep 09)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Tony Hain (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Josh Richards (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Jeff Mcadams (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... David Howe (Sep 07)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Charles Sprickman (Sep 07)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... bmanning (Sep 07)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Jon Mansey (Sep 07)