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RE: SPEWS?
From: "Benjamin P. Grubin" <bgrubin () pobox com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:24:23 -0400
I am a 99% lurker, but I didn't assume you were beating around the bush. It *seems* to me that in response to complaints about how several blacklists were run you said that because blacklists are subscription services, and everyone has a choice whether or not to use them, that the poorly-operated blacklists are not dangerous. That implies (to me!) an understatement of the potential effect of poorly-operated blacklists. If I am wrong in that implication, I apologise. ------ Benjamin P. Grubin, CISSP, GIAC Information Security Consulting bgrubin () pobox com
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Steven J. Sobol Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:13 PM To: Benjamin P. Grubin Cc: 'Dan Hollis'; 'Regis M. Donovan'; nanog () nanog org Subject: RE: SPEWS? On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote:Saying that a report is voluntary and/or advisory gets more and more irrelevant as rate of adoption increases. Yes, thethousands of creditcard companies could choose to evaluate you in any mannerthey wish, butyet they *all* judge you solely on your credit report. Soin *reality*,is it really still useful to say it is voluntary andadvisory thereforeundeserving of scrutiny/complaint?I'm really not sure why you're making these assumptions. I don't beat around the bush... I've never seen you on NANOG before, nor have I talked to you in any other venue, so I assume you aren't aware of that particular point. I didn't say SPEWS or any other listing service was undeserving of scrutiny. I didn't even try to imply that. -- Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH 888.480.4NET - I do my best work with one of my cockatiels sitting on each shoulder - 6/4/02:A USA TODAY poll found that 80% of Catholics advocated a zero-tolerance stance towards abusive priests. The fact that 20% didn't, scares me...
Current thread:
- Re: SPEWS?, (continued)
- Re: SPEWS? measl (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Greg A. Woods (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Regis M. Donovan (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Dan Hollis (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- RE: SPEWS? Benjamin P. Grubin (Jun 20)
- RE: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- RE: SPEWS? Benjamin P. Grubin (Jun 20)
- RE: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- RE: SPEWS? Benjamin P. Grubin (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Sandy Harris (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re[2]: SPEWS? Richard Welty (Jun 20)
- Re: Re[2]: SPEWS? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 20)
- Re[2]: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re[3]: SPEWS? Richard Welty (Jun 20)
- Re[3]: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Sandy Harris (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Jim Segrave (Jun 21)