RE: Certification or College degrees?

["Daniel Golding" <dgolding () sockeye com>]

Gee. I've know some CCIE's who seemed a little sexually ambiguous, but I'm
not sure that a sweeping generalization is appropriate... :)

- Daniel Golding

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
> Alexei Roudnev
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:52 AM
> To: Vadim Antonov; Stephen Sprunk
> Cc: Nanog List
> Subject: Re: Certification or College degrees?
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 22 May 2002, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> >
> > > Thus spake "Nigel Clarke" <nigel () forever-networks com>
> > > > Certifications are a waste of time. You'd be better off
> > > > obtaining a Computer Science degree and focusing on the
> > > > core technologies.
> > >
> > > If you're looking to write software, sure.  A CompSci degree
> won't help you
> > > in the slightest at operating networks.
> >
> > Stephen - I bet I can do networks much much better than most
> cisco CCIEs,
> > even after years of doing network-unrelated work :)  That's because I
> > understand _why_ the stuff is working, not only how to make cisco box to
> > jump through hoops.
>
> Yes, but after you'll read a few books when you start working as a network
> engineer again (if -:)).
>
> CCIE just come and say _gays, you need Cisco XXX with IOS YY.YY
> and configure CEF,
> RED,
> packet inspection, bla bla bla... and he remember exact IOS commands.
>
> If people want a narrow edicated engineer, they need CCIE-only
> gay. If they weant
> someone who can do everything (may be, with extra time to learn
> specific piece of
> hardware) - they need someone like Vadim.
>
> And CCIE is not a good example - it's the BEST certification
> degree I ever know;
> other certifications are much worst - most of them are just
> _guess an answer_
> tests. Of course, knowing _top change a domain, you need to
> reinstall the system_
> (from some old MS exam) is very important one (because no one can guess an
> answer).
>
> Btw, a friend of mine, very (VERY) high skilled gay, is looking
> for the new job
> today. When I told  about him with someone, I always explain _he
> worked with MS
> and CISCO for a 10 years; he teach Microsoft in Moscow, he
> designed a networks, he
> worked as a PS for a 2 years, he bring Ascends into the Russia,
> he know Everything
> about MS and Cisco. Oh, you need his credentials - btw, he is CCIE and MS
> certified engineer. I never start from certificates, because they
> say nothing
> except _gay can read a books and can learn to answer a questions_.
> (Do you need jobless CCIE + MS certified _do not remember who_?
> You can hire one
> just now).