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Re: How do you stop outgoing spam?
From: Barry Shein <bzs () world std com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:22:50 -0400 (EDT)
For about 20 years I've been saying on these lists: Civilization is the knowledge that your house is reasonably locked up even though you have glass windows. (most) door locks (usually) work because breaking into them is accepted as illegal and there's a finite chance of being caught and going to jail for breaking them. Not because they're generally impervious to technology (e.g., crowbars, sharp kicks, charge cards.) A problem with spam is not only aren't you likely to get caught, it's not even generally agreed to be illegal. Hell, it's not even generally agreed to be anti-social except among the anointed. The solution (at this point) is not to nail plywood over all your windows. First we (as a society) need to agree spamming is even illegal. I fear those of us who don't like spam are rapidly losing that battle, however, and spam is becoming a regular and normal business activity. The spammers are winning by demonstration. You have probably 90% of internet users see spam in their mailbox every day and they come to believe that it must be ok, even if annoying. Like telemarketing calls. -b On September 10, 2002 at 13:48 avg () exigengroup com (Vadim Antonov) wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Barry Shein wrote:And, although some won't like me saying this, having the technical community deal with these new criminals is a bit like sending the boy scouts after Al-Qaida. Unfortunately it's going to take a much harsher view of reality than "maybe this regexp will stop crime".Last time I checked policemen weren't designing door locks. Not even in business of selling them. What we have is a lot of open doors having prominent signs "come in and take whatever you please" on them. This can and should be fixed by the technical community. US is not going to send troops to Nigeria just to catch some spammers anyway. Consider that a "harsher view of reality" :) --vadim PS. Criminals are criminals because they are stupid. If they were smart they could make good living legally. Governments avoid competition, too.
Current thread:
- How do you stop outgoing spam? Hank Nussbacher (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Hank Nussbacher (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 09)
- RE: How do you stop outgoing spam? Al Rowland (Sep 09)
- RE: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Barry Shein (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Vadim Antonov (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Barry Shein (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Dan Hollis (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Barry Shein (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Dan Hollis (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Hank Nussbacher (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Richard A Steenbergen (Sep 09)
- RE: How do you stop outgoing spam? Brad Knowles (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? William Waites (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Brad Knowles (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Marshall Eubanks (Sep 09)