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Re: UPS failure modes (was: fire at NAC)
From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja () darkwing uoregon edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
On Thu, 29 May 2003, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> I had a little 2000VA rackmount Liebert UPS catch fire in 1997 and another > new and improved Liebert model almost catch fire about a year later. > What have others experienced as the failure mode(s) for their > UPS(s)? We had a two-hour grid power outage here in Berkeley yesterday, during which time our APC Symmetra 16kva fried two of its four batteries, and went into bypass mode, which meant that the transition back from generator to grid caused everything to reboot. :-/ I've seen two previous APCs (both Matrixes) fry batteries... The batteries balloon up, and get really hot, and are too big to extract from the chassis. APC's solution to this is to have us take the entire UPS offline for several days to completely dissipate the heat, and then try to force the batteries out. Since this seems to be an endemic problem, you'd think they'd just design a chassis with somewhat more clearance around the batteries so that failed ones could still be physically extracted.
gell cells suffer from an electron mobility problem relative to traditional lead acid batteries. If you pull to much current off a stack of them you can boil the electrolyte off in a very big hurry, but because they're sealed they'll distent before they explode instead of just venting. I have run a matrix 5000xr with 4 battery enclosures down to zero under 65% load (220 minutes) without any untoward effects. in 100% load or overload conditions without forced air cooling (we lose ours in power outages) things could get uncomfortably warm.
-Bill
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