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Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]
From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell () ufp org>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:46:49 -0400
In a message written on Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 04:32:14AM +0000, vijay gill wrote:
Paul, I think you took a left at the pass and went down the wrong road here. I am not saying ethernet doesn't scale or even vni/pni doesn't scale, but the mentality embodied in the approach "throw it over the wall" doesn't bode well if you are to scale.
"Throw it over the wall" can be interpreted many ways. Everyone running their cable wherever they want with no controls, and abandoning it all in place makes a huge mess, and is one way to think about it. However, there are lots of telco MMR's, with either rows of racks or cages where every party runs their own fiber. Typically trays are provided in the colo cost, and the parties run the fiber in the trays and use the fiber management, label their jumpers, and more often than not pull out unused cables. If cages are involved "dropping the cable over the cage" is a common practice. Walking into these facilities you find they are generally neat and organized. I believe the problem Vijay is referencing isn't "throw it over the wall", but rather where people have to hide the fact that they are throwing it over the wall. When some colo providers want to do things like charge a 0-mile local loop for a fiber across the room people think it's too much, and run their own "over the wall" fiber. However since it's technically not allowed it's hidden, unlabeled, abandoned when unused, and creates a huge mess. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell () ufp org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request () tmbg org, www.tmbg.org
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- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] joe mcguckin (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] vijay gill (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Patrick W Gilmore (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Tony Li (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Patrick W Gilmore (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Michael . Dillon (Jul 06)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Paul Vixie (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] vijay gill (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Paul Vixie (Jul 05)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Michael . Dillon (Jul 06)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Leo Bicknell (Jul 06)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] vijay gill (Jul 06)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Stephen J. Wilcox (Jul 06)
- RE: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Mark Borchers (Jul 06)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 08)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Steven M. Bellovin (Jul 08)
- RE: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Ian Dickinson (Jul 08)
- RE: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Scott McGrath (Jul 09)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Christopher L. Morrow (Jul 08)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Patrick Muldoon (Jul 08)
- Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?] Tom (UnitedLayer) (Jul 08)