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Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license)
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:15:16 -0700
I fully expect my ISP to turn me off if my site starts spewing abuse. However, until that happens, I expect my ISP to deliver any valid IP datagram destined
for me, and, I expect to them to deliver any valid IP datagram I send out, at least to the next AS in the path to the destination. If they turn me off for spewing abuse, I expect them to immediately contact me and provide as much information as they have about the nature of theproblem. I think expect that it is my responsibility to identify and correct
the problem, notify my ISP, and wait a reasonable amount of time (possibly as much as 24-48 hours) for them to turn me back on. So far, this hasn't been a problem. Owen--On Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:54 PM -0400 John Curran <jcurran () istaff org> wrote:
The real challenge here is that the "default" Internet service is wide-open Internet Protocol, w/o any safeties or controls. This made a lot of sense when the Internet was a few hundred sites, but is showing real scaling problems today (spam, major viruses, etc.) One could imagine changing the paradigm (never easy) so that the normal Internet service was proxied for common applications and NAT'ed for everything else... This wouldn't eliminate all the problems, but would dramatically cut down the incident rate. If a site wants wide-open access, just give it to them. If that turns out to cause operational problems (due to open mail proxies, spam origination, etc), then put 'em back behind the relays. /John
-- If it wasn't crypto-signed, it probably didn't come from me.
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- Re: "Default" Internet Service Owen DeLong (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Matthew Sullivan (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Owen DeLong (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Scott Weeks (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Internet "Re: Re: Re:" Paul Vixie (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Internet "Re: Re: Re:" Scott Weeks (Jun 15)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license) Owen DeLong (Jun 13)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Paul Vixie (Jun 12)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Sean Donelan (Jun 12)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Paul Vixie (Jun 12)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Scott A Crosby (Jun 13)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Owen DeLong (Jun 13)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Paul Vixie (Jun 13)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can John Curran (Jun 13)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can Owen DeLong (Jun 13)
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- Re: Internet Credibility Bureau (Re: Points on your Internet driver's license) Owen DeLong (Jun 13)