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Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls
From: Jeff Shultz <jeffshultz () wvi com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:47:14 -0700
John Levine wrote:
That's why some states (e.g. Texas) require that all toll calls be dialed as 1+ _regardless of area code_, and local calls cannot be dialed as 1+. If you dial a number wrong, you get a message telling you how to do it properly (and why).In some places that "solution" is _not_practical_. As in where the same three digit sequence is in use as a C.O. 'prefix', *and* as an areacode.(an where, in some 'perverse' situations, the foreign area-code is a 'non-toll' call, yet the bare prefix within the areacode is a toll call.Oh, it works technically, local is 10D, toll is 1+10D, but since they don't have permissive dialing, Texans have to memorize lists of local prefixes in order to be able to use their phones. Way to go. I agree that life would be simpler if there were some straightforward way to ask telcos whether a call from a->b was local or toll. R's, John
Part of the problem is EAS (Extended Area Service), where for a flat rate (anywhere from $3-$13 that I've seen) your "local calling area" is greatly increased. The problem is that if you don't get the flat rate plan, it's a toll charge... all without having to dial the 1- (everything here is already 10D). Fortunately we are part of a local phone company, so checking on the EAS status of customers and making sure they get the appropriate numbers is easy.
But we still make mistakes - and I'm sure it's very easy for other ISPs to give a new customer a number that's just in the "big city" next door (around 5-10 miles away), but is an EAS toll call.
Personally I think they ought to make flat rate EAS mandatory and just roll the cost into the phone bill.
-- Jeff Shultz
Current thread:
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls, (continued)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Andre Oppermann (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Jared Mauch (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Stephen Sprunk (Aug 19)
- centrist... bmanning (Aug 19)
- Re: centrist... Barry Shein (Aug 19)
- Re: centrist... Richard A Steenbergen (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Todd Vierling (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls John Levine (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Jeff Shultz (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Barry Shein (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Eric A. Hall (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls John R Levine (Aug 20)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Lou Katz (Aug 19)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Henry Yen (Aug 20)
- Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls Todd Vierling (Aug 20)
- Robert Bonomi, you're a moron (was Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls) Todd Vierling (Aug 20)