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Re: classful routes redux
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen () sprunk org>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:19:24 -0600
Thus spake <Michael.Dillon () btradianz com>
... which is why I specifically said "no intention to ever connect to, or communicates with nodes on, the global network". In which case overlaps in adressblocks are irrelevant, as are any mention of NAT and firewalls as there is no connection (direct or indirect) between the networks.The only case that I am aware of where there is truly *NO* intention to ever connect to the global Internet is military networks. When I was referring to other internets I did not have military networks in mind. In every other case that I am aware of, the partcipants in the internet also maintain connectivity to the Internet via alternate paths.
I've personally dealt with private networks that had no intent of ever connecting to the Internet, though they were connected to other internal networks that did have such connectivity and to business partners (over private links) that probably did as well.
One I still have nightmares about was a mess of eight (yes, eight) instances of 10/8 which were dynamically NATed to class B addresses to reach common servers and for communication to various partners, with a few tens of thousands of static NAT entries for devices that needed to be polled. I suppose if those private networks had had a default route (they didn't) and there were no firewalls in the way (there were) they could have reached the Internet, but at the time it was designed there was no intent to ever allow such.
Too bad the equipment we had to support didn't understand IPv6, or we could have gotten away with using the site-local prefix (or, later, ULAs) and no NAT at all.
S Stephen Sprunk "Stupid people surround themselves with smart CCIE #3723 people. Smart people surround themselves withK5SSS smart people who disagree with them." --Aaron Sorkin
Current thread:
- Re: classful routes redux, (continued)
- Re: classful routes redux Michael . Dillon (Nov 07)
- Re: classful routes redux Joe Abley (Nov 07)
- Re: classful routes redux Stephen Sprunk (Nov 07)
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- Re: classful routes redux Henk Uijterwaal (Nov 07)
- Re: classful routes redux Joseph S D Yao (Nov 07)
- Re: classful routes redux Michael . Dillon (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Per Heldal (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Michael . Dillon (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Per Heldal (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Michael . Dillon (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Stephen Sprunk (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Joseph S D Yao (Nov 09)
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- IPv6 in a current defaultless SFP ISP John Dupuy (Nov 08)
- Re: classful routes redux Christopher L. Morrow (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Pekka Savola (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Geoff Huston (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Randy Bush (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Christopher L. Morrow (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Randy Bush (Nov 04)
- Re: classful routes redux Geoff Huston (Nov 04)