Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!

[Susan Harris <srh () merit edu>]

> That is, except for getting general clue on what's going on -- and putting a

But, um, isn't that pretty important?  Many of the NANOG talks are 
specifically geared to let vendors know what operators need.

> pinch of salt as the view one sees may not necessarily be representative.

How many of ours are?

> It's a two way street; vendors need to listen to the ops folks.  Ops folks 
> need to participate in the IETF.  Yeah, it's often quite frustrating, 
> especially when the vendors have already "packed the rooms" and most ops who 
> came around {don't want to, cant'} spend energy fighting that.

Pekka, give NANOG (the meetings) a try sometime.  You might like it, and 
we're very eager for your input.