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Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!
From: bmanning () vacation karoshi com
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:39:22 +0000
Ops folks need to participate in the IETF.because they want to sell what? clue? seems unmarketable.So that they can affect the protocols that are going to be implemented at a stage where they can still be modified to suit their needs, scenarios, requirements, etc. Options for changing the protocols are somewhat more limited (though not zero) when the specs and code (those that don't address the needs of a particular set of operators as-is, in any case) have already shipped.
i think ops folks have leverage in slightly different ways. for commondity products, i expect you are right. for high end products, i have found that when i ask a vendor for certain features, and am willing to give them money, they tend to treat those feaure requests with favor. features may or may not be reflected as IETF or other SDO based specifications. in fact, recent events lead me to believe that marketing groups from vendors, having done some market/customer research, are presuring the engineeering groups to push certain specs in the IETF. To have the actual customers show up at the IETF and attempt to influence the specs directly will put the engineering folks in a bind. ... believe the customer or the marketing department? if a vendor ships code that does not meet my needs or is harmful to my operations, i will either dump the vendor or encourage them to build to my needs, regardless of the IETF. --bill
-- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
Current thread:
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!, (continued)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Randy Bush (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Fred Baker (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Randy Bush (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! bmanning (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Randy Bush (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! David Meyer (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Pekka Savola (Nov 13)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Susan Harris (Nov 14)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Randy Bush (Nov 14)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Pekka Savola (Nov 15)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! bmanning (Nov 15)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Randy Bush (Nov 15)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! vijay gill (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! bmanning (Nov 11)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Scott Bradner (Nov 13)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Tony Li (Nov 13)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! Fred Baker (Nov 14)
- Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture! bmanning (Nov 14)