nanog mailing list archives
CDN & ISP (was: Re: Google wants to be your Internet)
From: "Michal Krsek" <michal () krsek cz>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:26:25 +0100
Hi Adrian,
I've had a few ISPs out here in Australia indicate interest in a cache that could do the normal stuff (http, rtsp, wma) and some of the p2p stuff (bittorrent especially) with a smattering of QoS/shaping/control - but not cost upwards ofUSD$100,000 a box. Lots of interest, no commitment.
Here in central europe we had caching friendly environment from 1997 till 2001 due of transit lines pricing. Few yaers ago prices for upstream connectivity fell and from this time there is no interest for caching. I've discussed this with several nationwide ISPs in .cz and found these reasons:
a) caching systems are not easy to implement and maintain (another system for configuration)
b) possible conflict with content owners c) they want to sell as much as possible of bandwidth d) they want to have their network fully transparent I don't want to judge these answers, just FYI.
It doesn't help (at least in Australia) where the wholesale model of ADSL isn't content-replication-friendly: we have to buy ATM or ethernet pipes to upstreams and then receive each session via L2TP. Fine from an aggregation point of view, but missing the true usefuless of content replication and caching - right atthe point where your customers connect in.
Same here.
(Disclaimer: I'm one of the Squid developers. I'm getting an increasing amount of interest from CDN/content origination players but none from ISPs. I'd love to know why ISPs don't view caching as a viable option in today's world andwhat we could to do make it easier for y'all.)
Please see points (a)-(d). I think there can be also point (e).Some telcos want to play triple-play game (Internet, telephony and IPTV). They want to move their users back from the Internet to relativelly safe revenue area (television channel distribution via IPTV).
Regards Michal Krsek
Current thread:
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet, (continued)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Mark Smith (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Roland Dobbins (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Mark Smith (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Roland Dobbins (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Mark Smith (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Roland Dobbins (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet rich (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Adrian Chadd (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Stephen Sprunk (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Randy Bush (Jan 20)
- CDN & ISP (was: Re: Google wants to be your Internet) Michal Krsek (Jan 22)
- Re: CDN & ISP (was: Re: Google wants to be your Internet) Gadi Evron (Jan 22)
- Re: CDN & ISP (was: Re: Google wants to be your Internet) Mark Smith (Jan 22)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Gadi Evron (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Charlie Allom (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Travis H. (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Jeremy Chadwick (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Gadi Evron (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Jeroen Massar (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Stephen Sprunk (Jan 20)
- Re: Google wants to be your Internet Roland Dobbins (Jan 20)